itt we discus philosophical theories

[LegalSmash]

[Lux]

Whilst I'm not sure if theres enough evidence to prove exactly what happened to create us (big bang etc) I do know that religion is not true. I think that religion is based on unproven things, and in a lot of cases can be proven false. The only reasons people believe are because they are scared of the truth of death (which is simply nothing, you die...thats it). I find it hard to believe that people would lead anything close to a religious life without the consequence of eternal damnation. In the past this has helped us evolve into a peaceful society (ok theres war but, we aren't savages....mostly) so I'm grateful in that respect but I think its out lived its use.

 

 

I don't believe we have any other natural purpose in life than to carry on the species and our own lives. Reproduction, eating, sleeping, drinking, a shelter etc. Anything else is essentially a human luxury which defies nature. As a human we have artificial rules which ruin the balance of nature (everything has evolved in a way to adapt to each other and the surroundings, but humans are advancing a lot faster than anything else).

 

I don't believe that because everything is so detailed like a watch, an eye etc there must be a creator. As James said, who created that? No one answers because no one has any religious answers, its all on faith. I simply believe that it is nature working together to make a cycle which works, because without it life will become extinct, so some collaboration was essential. You could say "But what are the chances?" Well....what are the chances of winning the lottery?? You always think someone else will win, but someone has to win. Possibly out of the trillion previous Universes we were the only one to create life, maybe not. I know I might be hypocritical because I can't prove this, but I think this is purely down a need for futher advancement in technology. Once we have that technology, which might takes thousands...millions of years....maybe the answers will be found.

 

I am open to opinion though, so if anyone has any solid proof to sway my mind be my guest.

[PotshotPolka]

Anybody that wants to discuss the meaning of life on a gaming forum with improper spelling should be dropped into Darfur.

[Lux]

Anybody that wants to discuss the meaning of life on a gaming forum with improper spelling should be dropped into Darfur.

 

I can see how life debate is pointless because, its hard enough to get to a conclusion on a question like "Which Ice Cream flavour is the best?" yet alone this........

 

I sense some flamez inbound

[uncle pep-pep]

there better not be any flaming Luxz, and potshot, please either add to the thread positively or not at all.

anyway, on the subject of a divine being. there really isn't much to discuss since the bible is fraudulent. i mean, the stories of the disciples was told since jesus's birth and before, but only by spoken word. is one to tell me that for 1500 years, people gave only one true version of the accounts of the apostles? i say 1500 since that is when they used printing presses on the bible so it was cemented. but what is the truth, and what is a lie? what did people fabricate, and what actually happened in the original tales of the disciples? the answer is, there is none. anything goes in the bible, and thus makes the christian religion a big hunk of crap. this goes the same with all religions, since when the religions were made, they were spoken amongst the people, and not written down for the ages. and if they were written down, the original copies were lost during the flow of time.

[Omar]

As for me, i'd wait till the day i die and see if there is anything?

 

I simply just can't imagine nothing, the concept of zero is simply hard for me to understand, i mean, do YOU "remember" the time before you where born? do you feel that you have waited for to be born?

 

I don't, humanity has been mindfucked by what happens after death, but no one knows.

 

And i look forward, but i would be dissapointed if it's nothing..

 

 

And OFCOURSE are we scared.

just think of it, silence and NOTHING, nothing at ALL, none, nothing, it's not inprinted in our brain to understand nothing, cause we always had something.

 

And some say that this isn't reality and if it's not then WHAT IS?

 

My brain already hurts and yes, death scares me and maybe we invented religion for us being secure.

 

or maybe it's true.

Maybe God is there, and he's waiting for us to die and be judged on what we have done on earth.

But we can't know and we wont. None of us can go there and go back and report if there is anything.

It's a one-way trip, there is no going back. I might as well do as much as good as possible, even if it's a lie or not.

 

(this i'm not sure about) i remember that one that was in coma for a long time and then woke up and said that he didn't feel the time that surpassed..

 

But for the sake of humanity i sure hope that god exists, (I'm a muslim, but i'm not sure, though i am "halfconvinced") I mean, there gotta be, there can't be just nothing.

 

 

Head ache...

[Lux]

The general reasoning of "nothing" is that their is no silence, there is no nothing, you have no concious anything, so it is "eternal nothingness" its impossible to consider because its not something we need to know, when we die we die theres nothing you will need to know about how to do nothing, and I don't bother thinking about it because you won't get anywhere. But tbh...would I prefer nothing or eternal conciousness in Heaven??? It would get boring being alive forever so, I'm happy to die when my time comes.

[uncle pep-pep]

The general reasoning of "nothing" is that their is no silence, there is no nothing, you have no concious anything, so it is "eternal nothingness" its impossible to consider because its not something we need to know, when we die we die theres nothing you will need to know about how to do nothing, and I don't bother thinking about it because you won't get anywhere. But tbh...would I prefer nothing or eternal conciousness in Heaven??? It would get boring being alive forever so, I'm happy to die when my time comes.

 

yeah plus the fact that sin is not allowed up there, life is about choices and heaven isn't about that. fuck being constantly in pleasure i want some fucking pain, sadness, and hatred all up in my bitch.

[Huwajux]

I do know that religion is not true.

lulz

 

Of course religion is based upon faith, that is the entire premise. People tend to believe in a greater being than themselves (a creator) because they have become more open-minded as to whether there is any other form of existence which takes place outside of time and space. Of course, trying to comprehend an existence outside of time and space is near impossible. Let me give you an example.

 

Based on Christianity, God the creator is omnipotent (all-powerful). If this is the case, then he exists outside of time and space. However, there are logic traps which can apply. A logic trap would be "If God is all-powerful, could he create a box too heavy for him to lift?". Now, if God created a box too heavy for him to lift, that would limit his power. If he couldn't create a box too heavy for him to lift, then that would also limit his power. This is where our understanding of existence is flawed and limited. One now has to look beyond what we consider to be the laws of nature and physics and since nobody has ever experienced an existence outside of what is our perception of reality (I assume), then we have nothing to go on but pure faith.

 

This would answer someone else's question about who created God. Since God does not abide by the laws of physics, therefore the theory of general relativity does not apply, meaning that he has no beginning and no end. People (mostly Atheists) tend to brush off religion as some sort of fairy tale, however it is much deeper than that. They think it is all based off some old stories about a guy named Jesus, and nothing more. However, if they were to open their minds to other possibilities, then they would realise it is much deeper than that. The Christian religion is led by the tales of Jesus in the Bible, but human's self-awareness has strengthened Christianity at the foundations through logical reasoning and perfectly acceptable questions.

 

Now, I'm not trying to convert you (or am I...?), but I'm trying to make you see that religion is not purely a "fool's belief". It has stemmed from people attempting to think on a higher level of thought (I don't want to sound narcissistic here), where Atheists refuse any form of existence outside of their own and only believe things based on their experiences (Almost like an empirical standpoint).

[Lux]

lulz

 

Of course religion is based upon faith, that is the entire premise. People tend to believe in a greater being than themselves (a creator) because they have become more open-minded as to whether there is any other form of existence which takes place outside of time and space. Of course, trying to comprehend an existence outside of time and space is near impossible. Let me give you an example.

 

Based on Christianity, God the creator is omnipotent (all-powerful). If this is the case, then he exists outside of time and space. However, there are logic traps which can apply. A logic trap would be "If God is all-powerful, could he create a box too heavy for him to lift?". Now, if God created a box too heavy for him to lift, that would limit his power. If he couldn't create a box too heavy for him to lift, then that would also limit his power. This is where our understanding of existence is flawed and limited. One now has to look beyond what we consider to be the laws of nature and physics and since nobody has ever experienced an existence outside of what is our perception of reality (I assume), then we have nothing to go on but pure faith.

 

This would answer someone else's question about who created God. Since God does not abide by the laws of physics, therefore the theory of general relativity does not apply, meaning that he has no beginning and no end. People (mostly Atheists) tend to brush off religion as some sort of fairy tale, however it is much deeper than that. They think it is all based off some old stories about a guy named Jesus, and nothing more. However, if they were to open their minds to other possibilities, then they would realise it is much deeper than that. The Christian religion is led by the tales of Jesus in the Bible, but human's self-awareness has strengthened Christianity at the foundations through logical reasoning and perfectly acceptable questions.

 

Now, I'm not trying to convert you (or am I...?), but I'm trying to make you see that religion is not purely a "fool's belief". It has stemmed from people attempting to think on a higher level of thought (I don't want to sound narcissistic here), where Atheists refuse any form of existence outside of their own and only believe things based on their experiences (Almost like an empirical standpoint).

 

So you believe or what? It kind of came across that you didn't.

 

I see what you are saying but trying to think at a higher level of thought isn't really an argument at all. Scientists try to do the same things, but they have rules in what they believe, not just faith. I know what religious people think, I'm not naive enough to think its just about Jesus. The main difference is, scientists have to prove what they discover for it to be fact whilst anything religious can just be said and its true, which I think is foolish.

 

Btw that wasn't the best quote you took from me. IMO I was saying it to try and keep some peace, I'm always open to change if its good but I find it very hard to take religion seriously, especially with all the contrevercy and grief its given me.