itt we discus philosophical theories

[Huwajux]

So you believe or what? It kind of came across that you didn't.

 

I see what you are saying but trying to think at a higher level of thought isn't really an argument at all. Scientists try to do the same things, but they have rules in what they believe, not just faith. I know what religious people think, I'm not naive enough to think its just about Jesus. The main difference is, scientists have to prove what they discover for it to be fact whilst anything religious can just be said and its true, which I think is foolish.

 

Btw that wasn't the best quote you took from me. IMO I was saying it to try and keep some peace, I'm always open to change if its good but I find it very hard to take religion seriously, especially with all the contrevercy and grief its given me.

I'm a Catholic.

 

My intention wasn't to prove religion, but to try and make you understand that it has stemmed from our self-awareness. Science is the study of knowledge, and one can only obtain knowledge from facts, that is why science is heavily reliant on facts. However religion is the belief in something which is greater than oneself and/or exists outside of your reality.

 

In contrast, religion is based upon faith. Faith is when someone believes they know something when there is no evidence or facts to prove against or otherwise. You say you possess no naivety towards religion, but you believe that a statement can be made and it instantly becomes fact if it were religious?

 

As Einstein once said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind".

 

Your personal experiences with religion are your own, and for arguments sake I'm going to keep my references within generalisability. However, why can you not take religion seriously? Religion is the thought of one's own existence, a greater being than we humans, and our purpose in life. Are they not valid queries to which religion tries to place answers to?

[Slavic]

lol at whoever said Solipsism. Descartes' philosophy is flawed because in his era the principles of neurology and consciousness weren't "discovered" yet. With modern science we have been able to prove that the way we think is the direct result of billions of neurons receiving and sending messages based off of external stimuli. This itself provides a direct relationship between the "external" world and the "internal" mind of the solipsistic philosopher. To even process one thought pattern would be to immerse yourself with the "external world", thus proving that the "external" world isn't a figment of the imagination.

[Lux]

I'm a Catholic.

 

Officially I am a Catholic, but I do not actually believe, my mum just wanted me to.

 

My intention wasn't to prove religion, but to try and make you understand that it has stemmed from our self-awareness. Science is the study of knowledge, and one can only obtain knowledge from facts, that is why science is heavily reliant on facts. However religion is the belief in something which is greater than oneself and/or exists outside of your reality.

 

I know what religion is to be blunt. Religion is not an exception to science. Its easy to have belief in something, you actually have to have a belief on everything. What that belief is is influenced by a lot of things. These influences are imo wrong.

 

In contrast, religion is based upon faith. Faith is when someone believes they know something when there is no evidence or facts to prove against or otherwise. You say you possess no naivety towards religion, but you believe that a statement can be made and it instantly becomes fact if it were religious?

 

What I meant was what you said. As in what is said in most of religion is what people believe (if you believe it, you believe it is fact...no?).

 

As Einstein once said "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind".

 

Einstein lived in a very different world to today. In the end when was how exciting something to do with what is true??? Sex with all the hot celebrities in the world sounds exciting but, the truth is lame. Religion without science is blind, so yeah.

 

 

Your personal experiences with religion are your own, and for arguments sake I'm going to keep my references within generalisability. However, why can you not take religion seriously? Religion is the thought of one's own existence, a greater being than we humans, and our purpose in life. Are they not valid queries to which religion tries to place answers to?

 

I cannot take religious seriously because as you have said, religion needs no fact, its all about faith and belief in things greater than reality. I can not take this lack of logic seriously. In general, I do not believe the answers which religion gives are true. There is obviously a right answer somewhere but, I do not think there is an "almight being" or anything similiar etc. Sometimes you learn some decent things but, sometimes you believe in things which restrict what you do in life. I wouldn't like to follow the rules of religion because as a non believer, I like the freedom of not being scared of going to hell. Besides not liking the religious lifestyle, I also don't believe in it.

[Omar]

Meh, even stephen hawking believe in a creator, he said that there MUST be a higher power since the universe is so chaotic

 

 

 

Lux, we humans aren't capable of understanding nothing.

 

cause we always had something... nothing is not simply just not understandable to our logic..

and the reason i believe that god exists, is because that he doesn't have a beginning nor an ending, wich means that he must be the one who created time itself

 

 

though i cannot back this up but that's what philosophy is all about

[Loganator456]

Meh, even stephen hawking believe in a creator, he said that there MUST be a higher power since the universe is so chaotic

Barely..

[Lux]

Meh, even stephen hawking believe in a creator, he said that there MUST be a higher power since the universe is so chaotic.

 

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Lux, we humans aren't capable of understanding nothing.

 

cause we always had something... nothing is not simply just not understandable to our logic..

and the reason i believe that god exists, is because that he doesn't have a beginning nor an ending, wich means that he must be the one who created time itself

 

Since when does "it" not have a beginning or end? If you believe that is the answer to

how the Universe began, you just create the same questions, this time its only about how God began. "Because he's God" isn't an answer, its basically like saying "We don't know" or "We want to believe it".

 

Also I basically said you what you said about not being capable etc earlier on.

 

 

though i cannot back this up but that's what philosophy is all about

 

Exactly. This fact that you cannot back it up makes it so unlikely that its as likely that Pokemon are real and we are just their video game.

 

The only reason philosophy is "all about that" is because thats the only excuse there is. If there was proof, they wouldn't have to have faith.

[Omar]

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Since when does "it" not have a beginning or end? If you believe that is the answer to

how the Universe began, you just create the same questions, this time its only about how God began. "Because he's God" isn't an answer, its basically like saying "We don't know" or "We want to believe it".

 

Also I basically said you what you said about not being capable etc earlier on.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. This fact that you cannot back it up makes it so unlikely that its as likely that Pokemon are real and we are just their video game.

 

The only reason philosophy is "all about that" is because thats the only excuse there is. If there was proof, they wouldn't have to have faith.

 

It's what religion is all about, faith.

 

I know what where you are going, you want me to some how prove that god exists, but.. I can't.. though i BELIEVE that he does, i have faith.. and that is what religion is all about..

 

 

Sure, you might think it is stupid, but i don't.

 

I hope he exists.

If not, then what is the point of life?

and who created time, same thing with god, time didn't have a beginning, maybe time is a part of god?

 

 

In a surrah in the quran he says, "don't curse the past, cause i am the past"

God is beyond time and space..

 

Therefore he has no beginning and no ending. He is the creator of everything, wich means he created time itself.

 

 

I love philosophy

[Lux]

I hope he exists.

If not, then what is the point of life?

and who created time, same thing with god, time didn't have a beginning, maybe time is a part of god?

 

Backs up my point. You don't know so you hope for the best. You say you believe in God, but its because of hope for the best, rather than actual belief. Your hope for some meaning to be alive and something after death is what controls your belief, and imo there is no actual meaning, other than to carry on the species.

 

But nvm.......no one will gain anything from religious discussion, people who preach will fail until you get out the brainwashing machines or something.

[Huwajux]

Backs up my point. You don't know so you hope for the best. You say you believe in God, but its because of hope for the best, rather than actual belief. Your hope for some meaning to be alive and something after death is what controls your belief, and imo there is no actual meaning, other than to carry on the species.

 

But nvm.......no one will gain anything from religious discussion, people who preach will fail until you get out the brainwashing machines or something.

Again you are taking a naive stance on this. Religion isn't a bunch of people "Hoping for the best". Religion is a way people can consolodate their own personal questions about life and what its purpose may entail.

 

You are belittling religion's significance with respect to its relationship to our existence.

 

Note: Do not go down the path of "If God exists, prove it". This isn't a good idea as it leads to the debate that states God's existence can be neither proven nor disproven, this will eventually deteriorate into insults because people try to sway other's opinions to their own. People have their own opinions and one must respect that, but please don't bring up the "proof" word because it will lead to a lot of tension.

[Lux]

Again you are taking a naive stance on this. Religion isn't a bunch of people "Hoping for the best". Religion is a way people can consolodate their own personal questions about life and what its purpose may entail.

 

You are belittling religion's significance with respect to its relationship to our existence.

 

Note: Do not go down the path of "If God exists, prove it". This isn't a good idea as it leads to the debate that states God's existence can be neither proven nor disproven, this will eventually deteriorate into insults because people try to sway other's opinions to their own. People have their own opinions and one must respect that, but please don't bring up the "proof" word because it will lead to a lot of tension.

 

-Its not naive of me to say what I'm saying. I'm not saying religion is ruined from the beginning but, just because it is a way for people to consolodate their own personal questions what difference does that make?? They still believe the same things I'm talking about. They want a God because they want to believe there is an afterlife, and want to believe that everything has a purpose, ETC (don't forget the etc, I don't have to list everything to not be taken out of context do I?) What do you think their ideas are? Non hopeful ones??? Atleast these religions aren't taken seriously, or cults, for no apparent reason to me. People say they are stupid but, they are no different to any other religion, they just have less support.

 

-Why would I not belittle religions significane to our existence? It may have helped but, its also not helped. If you mean by God creating the Earth etc, I don't believe in this, so I disregard it. If you mean in the sense that religion has helped make the world what it is today, its also a key factor in a lot of wars, and dispute in todays world.

 

-As I said, I don't think talking about the "prove it" stuff is going to get anywhere because I believe that the "it cannot be proven" stuff is just an excuse, whilst you believe it is because of God. I can't sway anyones ideas, and neither will you guys.