Jager Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1300 Joined: 06/24/07 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) I can simply nuke PB from orbit and leave it til last to update if you all prefer. I have more then enough on my plate, and PB isnt playing nice with Sourcemod so I was up until noon today from 6pm last night working on it. yeah thats 18 hours straight on getting pb to some semblance of working order. I want those hours of my life back. I certainly don't mind. you do realize that since you are doing ZERO work and spent a week or more complaining that mute did not work anymore and "ZOMG PB IS TEH BROKES /slashwrist" That i could care less if you get a console message when each player is unmuted when mani cant get simple cvars to work right in PB. I found a work around as requested anyway even though its a waste of goddamned time. since Valve borked 98% of the plugins out there. PB can be the redheaded stepchild again and left to rot til I am done with 3+ pages of other work/conversions of plugins as was recommended by most people. Take your pick I personally have no qualms about hitting the delete server button and restarting the damn thing when I have even the time much less the energy to turn my pillow to the cold side and deal with that festering herpes blister of mishmashed plugins and bad code. TL:DR if you are doing no work and have complained that your X plugin isnt Y perfect as it used to be, blame valve take a chill pill and let me finish my 1 man complete overhaul of the communities backend services. (not including you testers, thank you for your help) 5 Edited July 7, 2010 by Jager Link to comment
P3rg3 Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1484 Joined: 06/18/08 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) You're the TA, we are SA's. So it's easy to say that we aren't doing anything, that's because we can't do anything even if we would want to help. And how are we supposed to know what's happening in the first place? Seems like you're working on this stuff a bit too much. Edited July 7, 2010 by P3rg3 Link to comment
jeN Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 5086 Joined: 04/13/07 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 You're the TA, we are SA's. So it's easy to say that we aren't doing anything, that's because we can't do anything even if we would want to help. And how are we supposed to know what's happening in the first place? You want to help then find scripts that do work since the valve updates have been nuking most scripts/mods. No one is stopping anyone from finding a script, mod, skin, map that will help improve the servers. It's just when people offer these and they get rejected, they get butthurt and stop trying to help after that. Link to comment
P3rg3 Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1484 Joined: 06/18/08 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 You want to help then find scripts that do work since the valve updates have been nuking most scripts/mods. No one is stopping anyone from finding a script, mod, skin, map that will help improve the servers. It's just when people offer these and they get rejected, they get butthurt and stop trying to help after that. No, you guys get butthurt because we point out that something isn't working. LOL. Link to comment
jeN Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 5086 Joined: 04/13/07 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 No, you guys get butthurt because we point out that something isn't working. LOL. Because you guys are unaware of how much work actually gets put into the servers so instead you bitch, QQ and demand shit to be done that isn't always possible. So we just roll our eyes and stop informing you of anything. Link to comment
Jager Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1300 Joined: 06/24/07 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 p3rg3 you are more then capable of looking for a mute script you like, seeing as all you have done to this point is complain and not offer anything to help, then at the very least start phrasing your issues civilly. saying "hey this script seems to be spamming console commands in public alot, is it broken?" versus this is broken whine whine fix it or take it off now. YMMV with others, but I guarantee you one answer gets a civil reply from me where the other simply makes me look at the time/energy to cater to a generally very immature group of people on a very poorly built mod with terribly complaint to player ratio, and think to myself why bother. I have asked for beta testers for weeks, asked SA's to step up and find mods to fix issues they see, even went as far as grabbing People who play PB religiously to test the mute script and adjust it. they had no issue with the chat spam. sorry YOU aren't happy, but to make the mod the way you want, I would have to stop the public Admin power on use logging, which we will not do. its a side effect of SA's abusing their powers so much that we cannot hide admin commands from the public view. or we cannot ever catch bad admins. Mani has a bandaid fix but we arent keeping mani. If you want to be civil and act like an adult in this as you said "friendly community" then start posting civilly and not demanding fixes to problems,(mute script on PB) then being pissed when the fix adds something else that isn't great.(chat spam) Link to comment
P3rg3 Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1484 Joined: 06/18/08 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 p3rg3 you are more then capable of looking for a mute script you like, seeing as all you have done to this point is complain and not offer anything to help, then at the very least start phrasing your issues civilly. saying "hey this script seems to be spamming console commands in public alot, is it broken?" versus this is broken whine whine fix it or take it off now. YMMV with others, but I guarantee you one answer gets a civil reply from me where the other simply makes me look at the time/energy to cater to a generally very immature group of people on a very poorly built mod with terribly complaint to player ratio, and think to myself why bother. I have asked for beta testers for weeks, asked SA's to step up and find mods to fix issues they see, even went as far as grabbing People who play PB religiously to test the mute script and adjust it. they had no issue with the chat spam. sorry YOU aren't happy, but to make the mod the way you want, I would have to stop the public Admin power on use logging, which we will not do. its a side effect of SA's abusing their powers so much that we cannot hide admin commands from the public view. or we cannot ever catch bad admins. Mani has a bandaid fix but we arent keeping mani. If you want to be civil and act like an adult in this as you said "friendly community" then start posting civilly and not demanding fixes to problems,(mute script on PB) then being pissed when the fix adds something else that isn't great.(chat spam) I am capable of looking for a mute script, but nobody cares anyway. I've offered my help multiple times and never heard anything back so I assume you guys are good at this point. I thought my posts were fairly decent and I didn't demand anything at all. I just pointed out that something wasn't working great, if you guys would've said ''we know, but it's just temporary'' then I would've been happy. Instead I get bitching from higher ups that I should shut the fuck up and do it myself. If my posts appeared ''demanding'', sorry. Like I said; if I can do anything, let me know but don't play the ''you don't do anything'' card on me. Link to comment
Jager Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1300 Joined: 06/24/07 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) there is no card p3rg3, There has been no shortage of myself specifically asking for help when we are changing server stuff and stating that if you have a problem help me find solutions. If you choose to decide that I am not listening , That is on you. I have no pm's no visitor messages, no Pm's on vent, nothing. so short of me chasing people down , I have made it obvious when I need testers and searchers. and I have chased people down when I cant get anyone to show up even. balls always been in your court , and if you choose to enter my threads and use the words "fucking scripts broke take it off or fix" and you fail at reading comprehension in my OP then I'd say anyone but you would read that as demanding. We can go back and forth all day I don't really care tbh. You think I am angry or pissed, I just find your total disregard for whats actually going on (there are about 6 threads running around with info so you should know all about the swap overs, the server issues, the fixes if you read them) as a sign that since you dont give a shit about what I am doing, then conversely I don't need to give a shit about your issues in the middle of already working to fix them. I am doing this despite your utter lack of respect and comprehension. that doesn't make me better, that just makes me /facepalm when you post if you read everything i so kindly keep updating and announcing maybe you would be better informed. Not my fault if you arent. Edited July 7, 2010 by Jager Link to comment
P3rg3 Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 1484 Joined: 06/18/08 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 (edited) there is no card p3rg3, There has been no shortage of myself specifically asking for help when we are changing server stuff and stating that if you have a problem help me find solutions. If you choose to decide that I am not listening , That is on you. I have no pm's no visitor messages, no Pm's on vent, nothing. so short of me chasing people down , I have made it obvious when I need testers and searchers. and I have chased people down when I cant get anyone to show up even. balls always been in your court , and if you choose to enter my threads and use the words "fucking scripts broke take it off or fix" and you fail at reading comprehension in my OP then I'd say anyone but you would read that as demanding. We can go back and forth all day I don't really care tbh. You think I am angry or pissed, I just find your total disregard for whats actually going on (there are about 6 threads running around with info so you should know all about the swap overs, the server issues, the fixes if you read them) as a sign that since you dont give a shit about what I am doing, then conversely I don't need to give a shit about your issues in the middle of already working to fix them. I am doing this despite your utter lack of respect and comprehension. that doesn't make me better, that just makes me /facepalm when you post if you read everything i so kindly keep updating and announcing maybe you would be better informed. Not my fault if you arent. Aha, okay. My bad that I pointed something out that wasn't working properly. Also I'm sorry that I didn't know that this plugin/script is temporary and that I'm an asshole for asking something about that. I already said that I didn't mean it in a demanding way, what more could you want? And that last part of your post, about respect and facepalm, I'll just leave that aside as you're obviously trying to get an asshole reply from me. In no way did I disrespect you, you on the other hand are doing it as we speak. I know the higher ups got problems with me but you're making it a bit obvious. But seeing that you're busy with the servers you shouldn't bother to reply to me, I'm an asshole that doesn't care about the community anyway, like you said. 300 SA's anyway, 1 more or less isn't that big of deal. The way you talk to ''us'' is something that will come back to you, sooner or later. Edited July 7, 2010 by P3rg3 Link to comment
jeN Posted July 7, 2010 Content Count: 5086 Joined: 04/13/07 Status: Offline Share Posted July 7, 2010 Aha, okay. My bad that I pointed something out that wasn't working properly. Also I'm sorry that I didn't know that this plugin/script is temporary and that I'm an asshole for asking something about that. I already said that I didn't mean it in a demanding way, what more could you want? And that last part of your post, about respect and facepalm, I'll just leave that aside as you're obviously trying to get an asshole reply from me. In no way did I disrespect you, you on the other hand are doing it as we speak. I know the higher ups got problems with me but you're making it a bit obvious. But seeing that you're busy with the servers you shouldn't bother to reply to me, I'm an asshole that doesn't care about the community anyway, like you said. 300 SA's anyway, 1 more or less isn't that big of deal. The way you talk to ''us'' is something that will come back to you, sooner or later. The main issue with your post was that you very obviously did not read Jagers entire post. He said it muted T's, you said it was randomly muting people when it's SUPPOSED to do that. Which was my first eyeroll at you, then you said it needed to be fixed or taken off completely. Obviously if you read the first post you would know it was supposed to randomly mute people, so the only thing that needed to be fixed was it spamming chat. Then it brought up the fact that PB is still on Mani, and we're switching all the servers over to SM. Knowing SM and Mani work the same but also quite differently, I assumed there would be a mute script already for that. Now we're back to being able to voice mute users on SM with the test server, but it spams the chat and the only fix found so far is one that is not applicable. So Svendy found a fix for your original problem, only to not really have found a permanent fix since mani is on the way out and the fix used was for mani only. Link to comment
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