Quite possibly one of the best songs

[Cromyth]

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[Wicked Pissah]

Screaming/not understanding the lyrics is what turns me off. But man, the instrumental version of this is awesome.

[Lux]

Sorry, but as soon as you use auto tone, your not even in the race anymore.

 

Not really. Best voice/best songs don't come hand in hand all the time. Live performances? Definitely but albums, cds etc? No way....

 

Songs are noise...you might add words...you might add sound effects, instruments.....vocals etc but it's still noise to be basic. Whether or not that noise contains auto tune doesn't always matter...especially when it makes the song sound better.

 

Freddy Mercury was great, but his and Christian Alvestams singing styles/the genres they are singing are worlds apart. I really doubt Freddy Mercury could sing Melodic Death Metal.

 

I doubt anyone really cares if Freddy Mercury could sing Melodic Death Metal or not.....in the same way that no one cares whether he could fart the alphabet.

 

Lol. You need to listen to him.

Does he scream? Yes, he CAN but his SINGING voice is one of the best in the world (rangewise). You probably only listened to this song.

 

GREAT example of how versatile his voice is. Listen up to at least 0:45 and you'll realize what you said was 100% wrong lol.

 

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One of pretty much pure singing and little to no screaming:

 

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Another song that shows a HUGE vocal range from high singing to low growls:

 

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You may not like his singing style but to say he isn't a phenomenal singer in his own respect is, simply put, wrong.

 

Then don't originally post a video which doesn't show off his talent at all. IMO "melodic death metal" as it is generously named is not worthy of meaningful recognition....even the general instrumentals/general instrument play you get with metal comes across like the vocals....volume over quality/catchyness. Thrashing at a guiter, drums etc for me doesn't work.....it's just noise.

 

Based on that first 45 seconds he's pretty good (though still not nearly "the best in the world")...though the thought of why he has gone into this industry when he could "sell out" and be a lot more popular and make a lot more money is beyond me.

 

Range isn't everything you know....in the end if he's screaming at highly or grunting lowly that might be talent to you but it's just stupid to me. Maybe it's just that the band (for me) being so boring/annoying is undermining this guy's talent but I don't think so...I think he's not much better than your average singer from similar bands...same style...singing generally in the same range.....it's actually hard for me to tell these songs apart from each other they're all so alike.

[EvilShadow98]

Not really. Best voice/best songs don't come hand in hand all the time. Live performances? Definitely but albums, cds etc? No way....

 

Songs are noise...you might add words...you might add sound effects, instruments.....vocals etc but it's still noise to be basic. Whether or not that noise contains auto tune doesn't always matter...especially when it makes the song sound better.

 

 

 

I doubt anyone really cares if Freddy Mercury could sing Melodic Death Metal or not.....in the same way that no one cares whether he could fart the alphabet.

 

 

 

Then don't originally post a video which doesn't show off his talent at all. IMO "melodic death metal" as it is generously named is not worthy of meaningful recognition....even the general instrumentals/general instrument play you get with metal comes across like the vocals....volume over quality/catchyness. Thrashing at a guiter, drums etc for me doesn't work.....it's just noise.

 

Based on that first 45 seconds he's pretty good (though still not nearly "the best in the world")...though the thought of why he has gone into this industry when he could "sell out" and be a lot more popular and make a lot more money is beyond me.

 

Range isn't everything you know....in the end if he's screaming at highly or grunting lowly that might be talent to you but it's just stupid to me. Maybe it's just that the band (for me) being so boring/annoying is undermining this guy's talent but I don't think so...I think he's not much better than your average singer from similar bands...same style...singing generally in the same range.....it's actually hard for me to tell these songs apart from each other they're all so alike.

 

It all comes down to opinion in the end. In my opinion, not much music outside of rock/metal is catchy enough for me. I will listen to the occasional jazz, blues, and maybe a bit of rap/hip-hop. If you think most metal is just noise or just volume over quality; you're either listening to the wrong band(s) or your ears are not trained enough.

 

As a musician myself; you eventually learn to hear past all of what you claim is "thrashing". All that "thrashing" you hear is just distortion effects they add to their instruments. Remember that not all metal is just grunting or screaming (if you're referring to all metal outside of melodic death metal, that is).

 

Most growls that you hear the vocalists do in death metal isn't exactly as easy as most people claim if you do it properly without hurting your vocal cords. It takes practice to learn how to bring that out from your stomach instead of using your vocal cords and how to breathe properly as you do it so you can keep it powerful and not run out of breath.

 

Two examples below that are claimed to be some of the best musicians around today that so happens to play metal.

 

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An example below of metal that doesn't scream or use growls/grunts.

 

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As I said from the start of this post; it does come down to opinion. If you don't like the kind of music from the videos I posted; that is truly pointing out that it is just not your style of music. These guys ARE really talented musicians.

[Bob Loblaw]

Not really. Best voice/best songs don't come hand in hand all the time. Live performances? Definitely but albums, cds etc? No way....

 

Songs are noise...you might add words...you might add sound effects, instruments.....vocals etc but it's still noise to be basic. Whether or not that noise contains auto tune doesn't always matter...especially when it makes the song sound better.

 

There is only one time auto tune makes a song sound better. When the singer possesses no singing talent. Know what auto tune does? Fixes how bad you sound. Or for an exact definition "It is used to disguise off-key inaccuracies and mistakes, and has allowed singers to perform perfectly tuned vocal tracks without the need of singing in tune."

 

Auto tune makes up for lack of talent.

 

 

Then don't originally post a video which doesn't show off his talent at all. IMO "melodic death metal" as it is generously named is not worthy of meaningful recognition....even the general instrumentals/general instrument play you get with metal comes across like the vocals....volume over quality/catchyness. Thrashing at a guiter, drums etc for me doesn't work.....it's just noise.

 

The song I posted does show off his talent. You just don't like it.

 

Justin Bieber, do I like him? No. Of course not. But I can at least admit he has talent.

Do I like Michael Jackson? Not really, but he has talent (and some stuff is good).

Do I like auto tune? No, because it's literally making up for lack of talent.

 

You can admit talent where talent is, regardless of whether or not you like it. (I'm not saying YOU can, Idk if you can, I'm just using "you" generically).

 

Talent-a person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity

 

Talent is 110% independant of whether it impresses you or not. Can you do what he does? Can most people? No. Especially not to the degree he can. Ergo, talent.

 

 

Range isn't everything you know....in the end if he's screaming at highly or grunting lowly that might be talent to you but it's just stupid to me. Maybe it's just that the band (for me) being so boring/annoying is undermining this guy's talent but I don't think so...I think he's not much better than your average singer from similar bands...same style...singing generally in the same range.....it's actually hard for me to tell these songs apart from each other they're all so alike.

 

See above. It's not talent "to me". It's just talent, period.

 

Who would you consider he is comparable to (an average singer)? Just curious so I can compare.

[Lux]

There is only one time auto tune makes a song sound better. When the singer possesses no singing talent. Know what auto tune does? Fixes how bad you sound. Or for an exact definition "It is used to disguise off-key inaccuracies and mistakes, and has allowed singers to perform perfectly tuned vocal tracks without the need of singing in tune."

 

Auto tune makes up for lack of talent.

 

Exactly? I know what auto tune does...but it matters why? I don't really care if they write their own songs or if they use auto tune or not...in the end if the final product sounds good then that's fine by me.

 

Auto tune is also used to add to effects even if it isn't really needed...sometimes it pays off but it can be way overused (e.g. Black Eyed Peas recently)

 

 

The song I posted does show off his talent. You just don't like it.

 

Justin Bieber, do I like him? No. Of course not. But I can at least admit he has talent.

Do I like Michael Jackson? Not really, but he has talent (and some stuff is good).

Do I like auto tune? No, because it's literally making up for lack of talent.

 

You can admit talent where talent is, regardless of whether or not you like it. (I'm not saying YOU can, Idk if you can, I'm just using "you" generically).

 

Talent-a person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity

 

Talent is 110% independant of whether it impresses you or not. Can you do what he does? Can most people? No. Especially not to the degree he can. Ergo, talent.

 

See above. It's not talent "to me". It's just talent, period.

 

No one who is in the music industry has no talent. If that were true then they would be ordinary people like us. You can disagree if you like but that's the truth. He may have talent but for me you're overstating it......or at least I don't value his talent as highly as you do in the perspective of music as a whole.

 

Talent isn't some factual, universal understanding you know...so this "It's talent, period cuz I'm srs" is a bit arrogant....in the end I never said he doesn't have talent. What I've done is dispute that he has enough to live up to your claims.

 

Who would you consider he is comparable to (an average singer)? Just curious so I can compare.

 

I said this band (IMO) is almost identical to similar metal bands. That would from your perspective mean other talented, popular metal bands. Unless you yourself believe that similar metal bands to his are your average singer out of a hotel then you're taking me out of context.

 

I could be more specific but I really can't be bothered. I'm not saying all metal bands are the same....this band just seems to be very similar/indistinguishable from a lot of bands posted in this section.

 

If you think most metal is just noise or just volume over quality; you're either listening to the wrong band(s) or your ears are not trained enough.

 

You could train your ears to hear beauty in anything if you listen to it long enough....that's just coping with it. I could cope with metal music...but I very easily get either irritated by the noise or lost/bored because the lyrics are indistinguishable/weird/the music is like a loud drone and completely uncatchy/memorable. There are exceptions to this because metal is fairly big genre.....but generally (for me) those would be the more mainstream, lighter types of metal.....(if that).

 

In the end it's not about whether my ears are trained enough or not....listening to music isn't a science it's about taste. I don't like metal generally and I've explained it. Taking into account that the majority of people don't like metal it's not scandalous....and it's definitely not to do with a lack of training.

 

Metal isn't just noise and volume > quality...or at least that's what they intend.....but for me it doesn't work.

 

As a musician myself; you eventually learn to hear past all of what you claim is "thrashing". All that "thrashing" you hear is just distortion effects they add to their instruments. Remember that not all metal is just grunting or screaming (if you're referring to all metal outside of melodic death metal, that is).

 

There is only one time auto tune makes a song sound better. When the singer possesses no singing talent. Know what auto tune does? Fixes how bad you sound. Or for an exact definition "It is used to disguise off-key inaccuracies and mistakes, and has allowed singers to perform perfectly tuned vocal tracks without the need of singing in tune."

 

Auto tune makes up for lack of talent.

 

Exactly? I know what auto tune does...but it matters why? I don't really care if they write their own songs or if they use auto tune or not...in the end if the final product sounds good then that's fine by me.

 

Auto tune is also used to add to effects even if it isn't really needed...sometimes it pays off but it can be way overused (e.g. Black Eyed Peas recently)

 

 

The song I posted does show off his talent. You just don't like it.

 

Justin Bieber, do I like him? No. Of course not. But I can at least admit he has talent.

Do I like Michael Jackson? Not really, but he has talent (and some stuff is good).

Do I like auto tune? No, because it's literally making up for lack of talent.

 

You can admit talent where talent is, regardless of whether or not you like it. (I'm not saying YOU can, Idk if you can, I'm just using "you" generically).

 

Talent-a person who possesses unusual innate ability in some field or activity

 

Talent is 110% independant of whether it impresses you or not. Can you do what he does? Can most people? No. Especially not to the degree he can. Ergo, talent.

 

See above. It's not talent "to me". It's just talent, period.

 

No one who is in the music industry has no talent. If that were true then they would be ordinary people like us. You can disagree if you like but that's the truth. He may have talent but for me you're overstating it......or at least I don't value his talent as highly as you do in the perspective of music as a whole.

 

Talent isn't some factual, universal understanding you know...so this "It's talent, period cuz I'm srs" is a bit arrogant....in the end I never said he doesn't have talent. What I've done is dispute that he has enough to live up to your claims.

 

Who would you consider he is comparable to (an average singer)? Just curious so I can compare.

 

I said this band (IMO) is almost identical to similar metal bands. That would from your perspective mean other talented, popular metal bands. Unless you yourself believe that similar metal bands to his are your average singer out of a hotel then you're taking me out of context.

 

 

If you think most metal is just noise or just volume over quality; you're either listening to the wrong band(s) or your ears are not trained enough.

 

You could train your ears to hear beauty in anything if you listen to it long enough....that's just coping with it. I could cope with metal music...but I very easily get either irritated by the noise or lost/bored because the lyrics are indistinguishable/weird/the music is like a loud drone and completely uncatchy/memorable. There are exceptions to this because metal is fairly big genre.....but generally (for me) those would be the more mainstream, lighter types of metal.....(if that).

 

In the end it's not about whether my ears are trained enough or not....listening to music isn't a science it's about taste. I don't like metal generally and I've explained it. Taking into account that the majority of people don't like metal it's not scandalous....and it's definitely not to do with a lack of training.

 

Metal isn't just noise and volume > quality...or at least that's what they intend.....but for me it doesn't work.

 

Most growls that you hear the vocalists do in death metal isn't exactly as easy as most people claim if you do it properly without hurting your vocal cords. It takes practice to learn how to bring that out from your stomach instead of using your vocal cords and how to breathe properly as you do it so you can keep it powerful and not run out of breath.

 

I know.....I know some people who I've more recently detached myself from (not just because they're metal fans...but they're weird...alcoholics...very annoying...especially when drunk...and too much weed...and sitting in fields on cold nights) and one was talking to me about grunting/growling/whatever and telling me that it was hard for him to conqueror because it's a skill. I don't doubt that.....but it's not a skill I value highly. I don't want to listen to it even if it's supposed to be impressive....in the end it's annoying.

 

Also he was into some stupid pig squealing shit. Most stupid thing I've ever heard.

 

Two examples below that are claimed to be some of the best musicians around today that so happens to play metal.

 

As I said from the start of this post; it does come down to opinion. If you don't like the kind of music from the videos I posted; that is truly pointing out that it is just not your style of music. These guys ARE really talented musicians.

 

I agree that the musicians are talented but for me it's being used in a genre of music I generally just don't like. Because of that their talent (as good as it may be) does not appeal to me.

 

I can tell that my opinion may be ridiculed on here because generally this community (or at least the people who bother with this section) are either into metal or are Toxin/insert other cool kid. But in the end there's lots of music beyond metal.....looking at my playlist I like a very quite range of music......just generally nothing extreme.

[EvilShadow98]

Exactly? I know what auto tune does...but it matters why? I don't really care if they write their own songs or if they use auto tune or not...in the end if the final product sounds good then that's fine by me.

 

Auto tune is also used to add to effects even if it isn't really needed...sometimes it pays off but it can be way overused (e.g. Black Eyed Peas recently)

 

 

 

 

No one who is in the music industry has no talent. If that were true then they would be ordinary people like us. You can disagree if you like but that's the truth. He may have talent but for me you're overstating it......or at least I don't value his talent as highly as you do in the perspective of music as a whole.

 

Talent isn't some factual, universal understanding you know...so this "It's talent, period cuz I'm srs" is a bit arrogant....in the end I never said he doesn't have talent. What I've done is dispute that he has enough to live up to your claims.

 

 

 

I said this band (IMO) is almost identical to similar metal bands. That would from your perspective mean other talented, popular metal bands. Unless you yourself believe that similar metal bands to his are your average singer out of a hotel then you're taking me out of context.

 

I could be more specific but I really can't be bothered. I'm not saying all metal bands are the same....this band just seems to be very similar/indistinguishable from a lot of bands posted in this section.

 

 

 

You could train your ears to hear beauty in anything if you listen to it long enough....that's just coping with it. I could cope with metal music...but I very easily get either irritated by the noise or lost/bored because the lyrics are indistinguishable/weird/the music is like a loud drone and completely uncatchy/memorable. There are exceptions to this because metal is fairly big genre.....but generally (for me) those would be the more mainstream, lighter types of metal.....(if that).

 

In the end it's not about whether my ears are trained enough or not....listening to music isn't a science it's about taste. I don't like metal generally and I've explained it. Taking into account that the majority of people don't like metal it's not scandalous....and it's definitely not to do with a lack of training.

 

Metal isn't just noise and volume > quality...or at least that's what they intend.....but for me it doesn't work.

 

As a musician myself; you eventually learn to hear past all of what you claim is "thrashing". All that "thrashing" you hear is just distortion effects they add to their instruments. Remember that not all metal is just grunting or screaming (if you're referring to all metal outside of melodic death metal, that is).

 

 

 

Exactly? I know what auto tune does...but it matters why? I don't really care if they write their own songs or if they use auto tune or not...in the end if the final product sounds good then that's fine by me.

 

Auto tune is also used to add to effects even if it isn't really needed...sometimes it pays off but it can be way overused (e.g. Black Eyed Peas recently)

 

 

 

 

No one who is in the music industry has no talent. If that were true then they would be ordinary people like us. You can disagree if you like but that's the truth. He may have talent but for me you're overstating it......or at least I don't value his talent as highly as you do in the perspective of music as a whole.

 

Talent isn't some factual, universal understanding you know...so this "It's talent, period cuz I'm srs" is a bit arrogant....in the end I never said he doesn't have talent. What I've done is dispute that he has enough to live up to your claims.

 

 

 

I said this band (IMO) is almost identical to similar metal bands. That would from your perspective mean other talented, popular metal bands. Unless you yourself believe that similar metal bands to his are your average singer out of a hotel then you're taking me out of context.

 

 

 

 

You could train your ears to hear beauty in anything if you listen to it long enough....that's just coping with it. I could cope with metal music...but I very easily get either irritated by the noise or lost/bored because the lyrics are indistinguishable/weird/the music is like a loud drone and completely uncatchy/memorable. There are exceptions to this because metal is fairly big genre.....but generally (for me) those would be the more mainstream, lighter types of metal.....(if that).

 

In the end it's not about whether my ears are trained enough or not....listening to music isn't a science it's about taste. I don't like metal generally and I've explained it. Taking into account that the majority of people don't like metal it's not scandalous....and it's definitely not to do with a lack of training.

 

Metal isn't just noise and volume > quality...or at least that's what they intend.....but for me it doesn't work.

 

 

 

I know.....I know some people who I've more recently detached myself from (not just because they're metal fans...but they're weird...alcoholics...very annoying...especially when drunk...and too much weed...and sitting in fields on cold nights) and one was talking to me about grunting/growling/whatever and telling me that it was hard for him to conqueror because it's a skill. I don't doubt that.....but it's not a skill I value highly. I don't want to listen to it even if it's supposed to be impressive....in the end it's annoying.

 

Also he was into some stupid pig squealing shit. Most stupid thing I've ever heard.

 

Two examples below that are claimed to be some of the best musicians around today that so happens to play metal.

 

 

 

I agree that the musicians are talented but for me it's being used in a genre of music I generally just don't like. Because of that their talent (as good as it may be) does not appeal to me.

 

I can tell that my opinion may be ridiculed on here because generally this community (or at least the people who bother with this section) are either into metal or are Toxin/insert other cool kid. But in the end there's lots of music beyond metal.....looking at my playlist I like a very quite range of music......just generally nothing extreme.

 

I can respect anyone's opinion on music. It just seemed as though in your earlier posts, it came off more as a bit of bashing towards the metal genre. That is good that you have a wide variety of music in your play-list. I wish I can add more to my library outside of what I listen to already, but a lot of times I try and it just doesn't seem to appeal to me.

 

Btw; something went wrong when I tried to quote your post and I can't fix it for some reason. :'

[Bob Loblaw]

Both of your posts are messed up haha.

 

And all I was getting at with the auto tune bit is you can like the song, but you can't really say that the artist is good.

 

I'm a really bad singer, I'll admit it. If I get someone else to write my music, and I just auto tune my voice and pretty much just talk the lyrics (since I honestly can't sing on key), am I a good artist? No, but like you said, that's not to say my song can't sound good.

 

In some cases you can, if they write their own music, and their voice is mostly pure with a tiny bit of auto tune here and there, then they can be a good artist (or even either or really-if they write their music they can be a good lyricist, and singing with little to no autotune can mean they are a good singer, but to not do either means they are good at delegating tasks to people better than themselves lol).

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[Hazardous]

meh.