SGSL 3v3 Tourney

[BoM]

I'm not making a point of leaving people with 1 or 2 people to play a match; I'm saying if people have 3 people able and willing to play, or shit, even 4, then it's bullshit that they're just going out and looking for good players for a 5th to just make their team as good as possible. To me, that's getting around the whole point of a 'randomized' process. I get them having to have a sub for multiple people dropping, but there literally is no point in having a 5th player at this point in the tournament, all that's doing is skirting around the rules.

 

There's only one reason this is all happening, and it should be rather obvious to you. just look at your team -_-

 

One of the several reasons I brought Jen on the team is because I knew that having her there was maybe our only chance of winning.

 

Before you go ranting about how its randomized, or Xeno drops a line about smokes, look at the facts. In this tournament there's probably 15-20 of 50 that even scrim on a regular basis. out of those 15-20 there's probably 12 max that are actually good -> great at scrim. Even though this is rather obvious when you look at the players and the teams, your team still manages to have 4 solid players, on one fucking team -_-.

 

I've said from the beginning that this should have been 10 solids as captains, THEN randomize the teams. You can say "randomized" all you want, but I just find it to be a poor excuse to not look for a better alternative.

 

Honestly Xeno is the best awper in the entire tournament, Caution has the obnoxious ability to double scope always, even if their barely 5 feet in front of him ( anyone who's played with caution understands what I mean), and then BJ can not only awp, but he's also good with other guns and knows how to play randomly on most maps to not be predictable. Don't even consider the fact that xeno can one AK people across maps. -_-

 

Now you take all that information and then you look at other teams, other possible combinations that could've come up if you kept hitting the randomized button.

 

Example: Panda + BJ + random. They're both solid players, the random could even be solid too, but there are weak points in the team. For instance, Panda can't handle people rushing him, and probably only awps 90% of the time, so that tends to be a solid way to kill him. BJ often pushes himself, and if you sit around a corner with a whole team, he'll run around it and die. Even considering "oh well Panda can sit in a better spot, and BJ can use flashes and smokes ( he only does maybe 50% of the time)", there's still no match up to the infamous team one.

 

There's tons of other examples of match ups that still wouldn't stand up to the fact that you guys have probably 3 of the top 5-7 players in the tournament (depending on how you look at it). I get that this was a warm up, and that perhaps the 5v5 would be handled better, but I still feel someone dropped the ball or simply turned a blind eye.

 

You guys are the reason everyone is trying to stack their team, because that's the only chance in hell they have of winning.

 

 

OH RIGHT. and the final map is on contra......vs 3 of the best awpers (BJ is probably the weak point in that situation) in the entire tournament. yeah right cool. Also a map we rarely even play on scrim, not that any amount of practice would help in that situation.

 

NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE I CALLED OUT HERE. fgts

[omarfire00]

When neptune's team started the whole idea of finding subs for their team, I thought about the whole idea and came about to wanting to post that there should be a rule against that. (This is what I was going to write earlier) For example a team could drop people that they don't really need or not as good and find players that are 100% more better than the ones dropped. This method ruins the entire meaning of the game and you working with randomized players that you don't usually play with (The whole idea of randomized teams) I had this idea before and was going to post it, but some admin told me to keep the thought to myself and let it be how it is. Anyways thanks to spartan for bringing it up.

[Caution]

Skill has nothing to do with it - it's the principle in itself of adding players at the last minute when there are still others on the team. That's the whole point of having subs; skill level literally means nothing at all in the point I'm trying to make. Also, myself and Xeno spent a long time looking for alternatives, so that's horseshit to say that it's a poor excuse. We did try doing a draft and people were too retarded to understand the concept. Absolutely no matter what way you put it, the teams would not have been fair. People's skill levels are too varied on the scale, and at the end of the day I really cant try to please everyone in the way teams are picked. I randomized it then showed the screenshot of it being randomized, can't remember if the "Randomized 1 time" was in the pic or not, but when it comes down to it people can either trust that I just randomized it and moved on, or just not play; it doesn't really matter to me.

 

Anyways I'm probably going to leave it as is, simply because it's not really a 'serious' tournament. This is definitely not going to happen in the 5v5 though.

[BoM]

Skill has nothing to do with it - it's the principle in itself of adding players at the last minute when there are still others on the team. That's the whole point of having subs; skill level literally means nothing at all in the point I'm trying to make. Also, myself and Xeno spent a long time looking for alternatives, so that's horseshit to say that it's a poor excuse. We did try doing a draft and people were too retarded to understand the concept. Absolutely no matter what way you put it, the teams would not have been fair. People's skill levels are too varied on the scale, and at the end of the day I really cant try to please everyone in the way teams are picked. I randomized it then showed the screenshot of it being randomized, can't remember if the "Randomized 1 time" was in the pic or not, but when it comes down to it people can either trust that I just randomized it and moved on, or just not play; it doesn't really matter to me.

 

Anyways I'm probably going to leave it as is, simply because it's not really a 'serious' tournament. This is definitely not going to happen in the 5v5 though.

 

My response wasn't looking to call you on the original problem : Stacked teams.

 

I was simply pointing out that the reason people are trying so hard to fix our team ( or their own) is because our team steam rolled every other team, until we decided to drop out. With a little practice, we were easily on our way to fighting you guys in the finals, anyone who cares to argue other wise can fuck off.

 

Moving on, my team basically falls apart, and people* question why everyone trying to sub people in? seriously.

 

This fight for e-peen is way too drawn out and clusterfucky for my liking, hence why I dropped. Way too much effort for credits.

 

You guys should just end this shit and move on to a better constructed 5v5 tournament.

[Caution]

Moving on, my team basically falls apart, and you question why everyone trying to sub people in? seriously.

 

I'm not questioning anything, I said it's BS.

[BoM]

I'm not questioning anything, I said it's BS.

 

Well you're a big boy, fix it. I want my 5v5 dammit.

[XeNo]

There's nothing left to fix in this tournament. You want a 5v5 but insist on arguing these points which only draw out this tournament longer. To end it now makes it a giant waste of time for everyone involved, and is a bigger dick slap in the face than letting people be replaced with good players when they chose to drop out. Anyone who did not choose to drop out (Fishey) was immediately added back.

 

Every team our team has played I could have probably beaten with just two of our players, and teaching the other the smokes and flashes I needed them to know. None of the teams practiced, they were disorganized, rushed at the wrong times, rushed predictably and nothing was done in a synchronized fashion. No matter how good I am, I still get blinded by a flashbang, and I can't aim through a smoke. You all made this tournament a "whoever can aim better" tournament that would have had stacked teams if even just two of us in team One were on the same team anywhere else.

[Fishey]

For the 5v5 you should get 10 good scrimers that have net and make them be the captains, then all go in vent and do a draft that way.

[XeNo]

For the 5v5 you should get 10 good scrimers that have net and make them be the captains, then all go in vent and do a draft that way.

I don't think there will be a draft.

 

5v5 will probably be create your own team, with restrictions. Rather not talk about how it's going to be set up since people are going to immediately start asking questions and we aren't even done with the 3v3 yet. Just wait for the 5v5 tournament's post.

[BlackWhite]

I don't think there will be a draft.

 

5v5 will probably be create your own team, with restrictions. Rather not talk about how it's going to be set up since people are going to immediately start asking questions and we aren't even done with the 3v3 yet. Just wait for the 5v5 tournament's post.

 

I doubt that will works as well, unless the rules state very clearly, it's will be obvious that the good scrimmer going to pick the good one in the SG.

 

If we could categorize people from pro, semi-pro, decent and depends on how many players, the captains draft them from each category+one from any category have most people (most likely decent category).

 

but okay i going to bring the idea up again in 5vs5