LR or death

[Caution]

Unless it was from an extremely long time ago, dating before like mid 2008, I don't ever remember T's being forced into an LR. I remember several discussion about it throughout the years, but I have never once seen a rule saying that the last T must accept an LR or die. Ever.

[BlackWhite]

Honestly what this comes down to is you personally having an issue with it versus the entire server population not minding at all. I play PB a lot. Obviously not recently since I am away at school and can't but when I can I play PB so I do know this happens like 5% of the time. If you can't be patient for 1 whole minute I feel bad for you. You seem to be making excuses here while people are giving your valid alternatives for making time go faster. You could read a book as well. No alt-tab required. Read a page a minute and in that 15 minute time span you have 15 pages down. 60 pages in an hour. That is pretty productive.

 

 

 

A. What if it is 1 v 1? Now you have an issue with the CT not having a choice.

 

B. Then if I am CT I am going to deny every LR choice by a T until he plays the one that I want so I can win. This in the end is just going to waste the time anyway.

 

C. So who gets the kill the last T? Just a rank hungry CT that is going to camp while his other teammates do the work then he comes out just to kill the last T?

 

Like I said earlier if you can't be patient for a maximum of 4 minutes I feel very sorry for you. Heck I used to do chores while I was dead or find something else productive. One minute is really short and what it comes down to is just being patient.

 

 

 

There is a rank system and one that a lot of people seem to care about for some reason. I wonder the same thing as to why anyone would care but people do. Not to beat a dead horse here but honestly it comes down to it being literally one minute and for the enjoyment of the playerbase. The object is to rebel but you can't force Ts to rebel so if one player doesn't like to rebel it is his/her choice.

 

The rules are perfectly fine as they are. The last thing PB needs is another rule....

 

Well said, beside, you can't blame someone for your "not so chatty" characteristic. Join the fun, talk with your fellow Ts. Beside the LR rule point, I still agreed on some troll decide to overtalk CT and kill them for disobeying order but still blame ct for free kill; or some CT just camps the round until his team is dead then kill everyone running around.

[awesomebillfromdawsonvile]

Back when grim was still playing, we killed the last t from time to time. We sure as hell did not sit there while one guy jumped around for 2 min holding up the whole round. Just in general they would do whatever was needed to speed the round up, be that execute the last t, or beacon the last ct. The rule list was pretty short back then, and it was left up to the in server admins to enforce things as they saw fit. Most of that stuff was all "common sense" stuff that you would not have thought(at that time anyways) needed specified in a rule list. Not sure when that was, but it was a while back. Many rule changes and years ago thats for sure, crazy to think how old the server is....

 

And not to be a jerk, but I'm just gonna ignore anymore suggestions to read a book or chat with a buddy. I'm trying to fix a problem here, not have people treat me like I'm too stupid to occupy my own time. The few people who posted here do not make up the entire server population, so stop acting like I'm the only one in the world this annoys.

 

I'm actually pretty down with the current rule list, our server has done a great job of getting all those nailed into place. This is one of the few problems that remain. Its not the biggest problem in the world, but its a pain in the ass. Other then the obvious stopping rank whore cts from getting free kills,(who cares?) I fail to see a good reason to leave this as it is. Its not like there is a cash reward for the top player on pb, so let them whore away. Not everyone is going to do that, so its not like its going to be the end of lr. Although the end of lr would be nice I have to admit. Lr is just another big waste of everyone's time, but that is another problem entirely.

 

My main point here, refusing an lr is troll behavior. The only reason you do things like this is to annoy people. Might as well be blocking me on escape, or trying to drop crap on my head, or any other number of trolly behavior. The only reason you do it is to annoy others by wasting their time. When Im the last t, its /kill. No lr, no bullshit, just get it over with, so all the dead folks can play again. Its just common courtesy, you dont walk into a room full of strangers and waste their time like that, unless your being a troll.

 

And just to be clear, Im talking about the last t alive and his refusing an lr.

 

Also, Ive always strongly believed the electric chair in electric, one of the oldest and as far as I know the first pb map, was put there with the last t in mind. I'm sure whoever thought this game up did not have lrs and dumb ass Simon says servers in mind. So if you want a real answer to what to do about the rank whore cts getting the last kill? How about the last t either takes an lr, or an environment kill. (drowning, gas chamber, fall height, ect) that way no one gets the kill and its a fun event for everyone to watch(better then watching him jack around for 2 min), and it gives that last t some room to rebel on the way there.

[Banana Joe]

Not gonna touch the whole LR thing, but if the Ts keep talking over the CTs so they can't hear the orders, then it sure as hell sucks for them when they're getting shot. It's their fault if they want to micspam instead of listening.

Of course you should type it in chat as well to not be a douche, but it is their own fault if they're micspamming and they don't hear the orders.

[awesomebillfromdawsonvile]

Not gonna touch the whole LR thing

 

Why not? if it annoys you speak up, most of the folks so far seem to think that dragging out pb rounds is a great idea, and a great opportunity to catch up on some reading. Hell even if you disagree with me, the whole point of this thread is to get people taking about it. I think there should be a slight adjustment to mic spamming ts (mainly that cts be allowed to shoot them after a warning to be silent while orders are given, i feel its one of those common sense things really) but that's a discussion for another time.

[BlackEagle]

And not to be a jerk, but I'm just gonna ignore anymore suggestions to read a book or chat with a buddy. I'm trying to fix a problem here, not have people treat me like I'm too stupid to occupy my own time. The few people who posted here do not make up the entire server population, so stop acting like I'm the only one in the world this annoys.

 

That is actually quite ignorant. People are offering you valid solutions to speed up 1 minute of time and you ignore them because you don't do this, or this, or that. You become chatty by making friends, in order to do that talk to people. Read a book, do a chore, exercise, check the forums, stretch, do something. Once again this is an issue that is literally a minute long! It takes you longer to write this post than it does for you to wait. This also rarely even happens. We don't need another rule just so we can satisfy something that happens like 5% of the time if not less.

 

Nobody claimed you were stupid what I said was you are making up excuses to not use your time more efficiently and that you are impatient if you can't sit still for a minute. While we don't make up the population the people I see posting in here so far are regulars and so far has not bothered them.

 

My point is that this is something that happens so rarely and is so short that there is no need for a rule for it. There may not have been many rules back then but unfortunately we have a ton now and we don't need to fix something that isn't broken. I have a feeling you'd have difficulty playing TTT when they have to sit around watching a T not doing anything for 5 minutes sometimes.

 

My main point here, refusing an lr is troll behavior. The only reason you do things like this is to annoy people. Might as well be blocking me on escape, or trying to drop crap on my head, or any other number of trolly behavior. The only reason you do it is to annoy others by wasting their time. When Im the last t, its /kill. No lr, no bullshit, just get it over with, so all the dead folks can play again. Its just common courtesy, you dont walk into a room full of strangers and waste their time like that, unless your being a troll.

 

Rarely do I see someone as last T turn down an LR. If they do maybe they are just bad at LRs and don't want to participate in one that is suggested from a CT. Once again this is just such a rare occurrence when there is a last T and they deny an LR. If anything this happens because they are new players and don't know what LRs are. In that case that is where you teach the person how to play or what an LR is and they are most likely going to be willing after that point.

 

Also, Ive always strongly believed the electric chair in electric, one of the oldest and as far as I know the first pb map, was put there with the last t in mind. I'm sure whoever thought this game up did not have lrs and dumb ass Simon says servers in mind. So if you want a real answer to what to do about the rank whore cts getting the last kill? How about the last t either takes an lr, or an environment kill. (drowning, gas chamber, fall height, ect) that way no one gets the kill and its a fun event for everyone to watch(better then watching him jack around for 2 min), and it gives that last t some room to rebel on the way there.

 

By the time the LR is usually committed anyway the minute is almost gone. So essentially what you are trying to do is speed up a round by 30-45 seconds. Which to me is not necessary at all. If you have a player that types they will type which LR followed by who with. Unless it is a KF then that LR takes time to set up. Deagle toss or S4S can be a pain when nobody has available Deagles to pass to the T. That takes more time to run to armory and get one. By the time this is all through you have saved probably 30 seconds of time.

 

Going back to my previous post, what happens if they are the last CT and don't want to perform that LR? Then you have to walk them to the chair? Some maps do not have autokills so then you have to have a kill hungry CT kill that last remaining T and then you get into camping issues, rank whoring, etc.

 

Honestly I see more rules and problems resulting from adding a rule like this than leaving it as is.

[BoM]

Unless it was from an extremely long time ago, dating before like mid 2008, I don't ever remember T's being forced into an LR. I remember several discussion about it throughout the years, but I have never once seen a rule saying that the last T must accept an LR or die. Ever.

 

This.

 

Not gonna bother posting pages of arguments. I don't remember this ever being a rule.

 

The most we would do is give them stupid orders till they mess up, then kill them. LRs were never forced.

 

Also:

 

And not to be a jerk, but I'm just gonna ignore anymore suggestions to read a book or chat with a buddy. I'm trying to fix a problem here, not have people treat me like I'm too stupid to occupy my own time. The few people who posted here do not make up the entire server population, so stop acting like I'm the only one in the world this annoys.

 

Implying that you are. The people posting here make up the past, present, and future population of PB just as much as you. If not more. You say the people here are acting like your opinion doesn't matter, when you're doing the same thing to them.

[XeNo]

Caution and BoM both have a point. Here is mine:

 

I played PB when it first was put up, back when we had two servers and Grimm was still an Admin. What your saying makes no sense because back then we didn't even DO lr's, we hardly ever did shot for shot or knife fight a ct or any of that back when it was put up. We just gave orders and told people to go places and T's always tried to rebel. As a matter of fact, Death games were absolutely not even allowed back when we put the server up. Admins punished for death games and LR is, in a way, considered a death game.

 

So, in actuality, no it wasn't ever a rule because that choice was hardly offered to anyone. LR's was a thing other servers did because they had plugins for it while ours did not, so we didn't do LR's until the current population of PB made it the thing every CT offers nowadays.

 

Caution, being the person in charge of PB, also stating it's never been a rule should be enough of an answer to you that it's not going to happen. Bom is correct in that you should not be ignoring the other opinions in this thread, because they matter just as much as yours does. The majority is against this, and does not mind the one minute wait if it means we don't just start killing the last T soon as there's only one left and they don't want to do a death game.

[Goku]

If you can't stand sitting out 1-3 minutes, DO NOT play TTT.

 

And tbh, the whole delaying thing can also be traced back to a shitty CT. When I'm CT I NEVER let a T waste time. If they are the last alive and refuse to LR I make them do shit. Usually I tell the last T to freeze, and if they really don't want an LR they move, I warning shot, tell them I said freeze and ask again for LR, if they move without being told as in start walking somewhere else without saying anything, I kill them.

 

Killing for not taking LR is forcing a deathgame.

[awesomebillfromdawsonvile]

You imply that im stupid by by telling me to do obvious things like read a book or chat. Ive been playing this game on and off for years, and Ive always had a book or ds handy to pass the time. This post has nothing to do with how I should be using my spectate time. In your past post, you said you felt sorry for me at least twice then gave out the same suggestions that previous posters gave. Not sure why you would have to get personal and state that you felt bad for me or whatever you said, that has nothing to do with the post, if you disagree with me fine, state that, but stop trying to make this a personal issue between me and you.

 

Bom is correct in that you should not be ignoring the other opinions in this thread, because they matter just as much as yours does.

 

Im not ignoring anyone with an opinion here, telling me to read a book is not an opinion, why you guys have taken on such a shitty tone over this issue escapes me. I came here plain and simple to state an opinion and see what everyone thinks about it. I kinda thought thats what the forum was for. I as well was playing on the server, pretty much from the start, and I just want to get back to days where we would not hold up the whole round for one person, thats all.

 

Like I keep stating, and everyone keeps ignoring is that as far as i can tell, this issue stems from the rank system. So why dont we talk about why this problem came to be, instead of giving me suggestions on how to spend my time, and panning me for my opinions? And no clearly, I dont play ttt, this has nothing to do with ttt, can we stop talking about ttt and just try to stay on subject? I already said its not the biggest problem in the world, if it wont change thats fine, but i did not realize you guys were going to poo poo all over me for stating my opinion.

 

Implying that you are. The people posting here make up the past, present, and future population of PB just as much as you. If not more. You say the people here are acting like your opinion doesn't matter, when you're doing the same thing to them.

 

I fail to see how that's implied here, Im stating the fact that the 4 people who posted before you are not the only people in the server. Yet most are acting as if im the only person who has a problem with this. Hell, maybe I am, but how am I supposed to find out with out asking the community?

 

Once again, not one person (aside from goku, thats actually borderline input on the stated problem) has offered any input as to why things are the way they are, or why its a great idea to keep it that way. Most of your post have been more along the lines of "your idea is bad and you should feel bad" rather then offering any actual input. If you disagree fine, then state WHY you think its a great idea to let 1 person drag out the round. Enough with the social commentary.