Dear some people.

[Toyz]

Stop slaying CT's that go near you, it's not baiting.

 

Stop threatening CTs with a Slay, when they are above your head. (nvm im wrong, this is clearly a bait)

 

Stop slaying people that camp vents/armory when they are clearly helping their team out.

 

Stop getting mad at CTs when they killed you because you want to go to Piano room.

 

Stop Confusing my babies.

 

Kthnxbye

 

In all seriousness, it's hard enough for us to take care of PB. Please stop making up new rules.

 

Type !rules !faq if you're new.

[Goku]

Lost track of how many times I've had to explain to people that, as I always say "baiting is when a T is actively knifing and a CT walks into them. But the T has to be already knifing. You can't start knifing after the CT walks into you."

 

And i find a lack of emphasis on the camping rule by most people. A CT can camp if he's helping, say for example on electric where there's a teleporter and vent that lead to armory. A CT can camp the teleport and vent as its helping. Now say on Lego, the order is pool and a CT camps piano room. That's in no way helping his team. That's not allowed.

[Ayjin]

Mmmm, one of the most controversial topics in jailbreak. The that causes the squeaker to squeak. Finally someone said what baiting really is.

[Paralyzed]

@Toyz Don't hesitate to call out an admin in case he fails to follow/obey the rules himself and/or makes up his own rules. It will in the end be up to him/her what he will do with the criticism that he receives at that point, however if things can't be mutually solved then there are other steps you could take in order to get the message across to him/her.

[BoM]

Lost track of how many times I've had to explain to people that, as I always say "baiting is when a T is actively knifing and a CT walks into them. But the T has to be already knifing. You can't start knifing after the CT walks into you."

 

That is wrong, so let me explain:

 

Baiting is basically doing something that a CT would never do if they're actually trying to stay alive, therefore being A. Stupid or B. Intentionally taunting (AKA BAITING) the Ts.

 

This can include:

-Standing on a Ts head

-Putting your back to a group of Ts(EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT KNIFING)

-Running through a condensed group of Ts, i.e. there is no possible way you would make it through there without getting knifed.

-sitting in a doorway near Ts (like in the kitchen doorway in razor), without a purpose

-The obvious running into a T while you're knifing.

 

As I've said on handling rules like this in the past, it comes down to admin discretion and includes a lot of gray area. There are cases where the CT might just be stupid, and not realize they're about to die with what they're doing. There are also cases where you know this person plays CT a lot and well, and then is suddenly walking back first into a group of Ts in lets say isolation. If the situation that the CT is putting themselves in makes no logical sense, and is clearly just to taunt the terrorists, then you are baiting them. It really is in the definition of the word, but apparently that has been forgotten over time. Now a CT doing this once, should not warrant a reaction from admins, but someone who is frequently taunting CTs should be punished accordingly.

 

If you guys disagree with this, I'd like to hear why to be honest. Blatantly taunting the terrorists is pretty rude and doesn't really lead to your objective. The main objective of the CTs is not to kill everyone, because you win at the end of the round as long as you're alive. The goal is to keep order and stay alive, which is the complete opposite of what your'e doing if you're wasting your time baiting.

[CollieFlower]

I think that we need to go back over the !rules and !faq. Edit them to more clearly define each of the rules so there can be no confusion

[BoM]

I think that we need to go back over the !rules and !faq. Edit them to more clearly define each of the rules so there can be no confusion

 

I'll repeat myself again in saying there is a lot of gray area and what ifs. All of that can't be defined in a few sentences of an faq or motd, and not everyone is going to come on the forums to read lengthy discussions. Honestly, yes some of the rules can be more clearly defined or discussed, but there will always be confusion on a case by case basis (depending). Admins at some point just have to use their head to determine if the player is disturbing the gameplay, because that is ultimately the reason we ban most people. If its something that is ruining gameplay and/or breaking rules, then its more than likely punishable under one of our many rules. Its up to the admins to figure exactly how it would fall under a given rule, and if the argument of the ruining the gameplay makes sense.

 

This is how admins in PB and other servers have functioned for a long time IMO, rules are clear, but have wiggle room. Its the application of common sense in most cases really.

[Goku]

That is wrong, so let me explain:

 

Baiting is basically doing something that a CT would never do if they're actually trying to stay alive, therefore being A. Stupid or B. Intentionally taunting (AKA BAITING) the Ts.

 

This can include:

-Standing on a Ts head

-Putting your back to a group of Ts(EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT KNIFING)

-Running through a condensed group of Ts, i.e. there is no possible way you would make it through there without getting knifed.

-sitting in a doorway near Ts (like in the kitchen doorway in razor), without a purpose

-The obvious running into a T while you're knifing.

 

As I've said on handling rules like this in the past, it comes down to admin discretion and includes a lot of gray area. There are cases where the CT might just be stupid, and not realize they're about to die with what they're doing. There are also cases where you know this person plays CT a lot and well, and then is suddenly walking back first into a group of Ts in lets say isolation. If the situation that the CT is putting themselves in makes no logical sense, and is clearly just to taunt the terrorists, then you are baiting them. It really is in the definition of the word, but apparently that has been forgotten over time. Now a CT doing this once, should not warrant a reaction from admins, but someone who is frequently taunting CTs should be punished accordingly.

 

If you guys disagree with this, I'd like to hear why to be honest. Blatantly taunting the terrorists is pretty rude and doesn't really lead to your objective. The main objective of the CTs is not to kill everyone, because you win at the end of the round as long as you're alive. The goal is to keep order and stay alive, which is the complete opposite of what your'e doing if you're wasting your time baiting.

 

See that's the way I always saw it but the explanation I gave ITT was how it was last explained to me.

 

Here's a link to the last time we discussed it.

 

I'd have to reread what the rules plug in says but I do think we really need a clear cut, simple to the point stance on what baiting is. As you said it would ultimately boil down to the admins discretion but the more blunt and set in stone decision, the better.

 

Edit: This is how I tried to explain it last time

 

Way I always understood it was this:

 

Baiting is enticing or encouraging the T to knife you by either running into them while they are already knifing, or being in close proximity of them in a situation where all ts should be in say iso. If a CT walks into iso, that is baiting. Basically any situation where the urge to knife the CT is extremely tempting due to the likeliness of the CT dieing easily.

 

As for punishing, I always understood it as the CT is not allowed to bait, however that doesn't mean the T is allowed to knife him. Meaning even if a CT is baiting, the T can still be killed for attacking and it wouldn't be a free kill.

 

Honestly it is a very gray area that is hard to define.

 

I still think this is the better meaning that what I said earlier ITT.

[shoiep]

That is wrong, so let me explain:

 

Baiting is basically doing something that a CT would never do if they're actually trying to stay alive, therefore being A. Stupid or B. Intentionally taunting (AKA BAITING) the Ts.

 

This can include:

-Standing on a Ts head

-Putting your back to a group of Ts(EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT KNIFING)

-Running through a condensed group of Ts, i.e. there is no possible way you would make it through there without getting knifed.

-sitting in a doorway near Ts (like in the kitchen doorway in razor), without a purpose

-The obvious running into a T while you're knifing.

 

As I've said on handling rules like this in the past, it comes down to admin discretion and includes a lot of gray area. There are cases where the CT might just be stupid, and not realize they're about to die with what they're doing. There are also cases where you know this person plays CT a lot and well, and then is suddenly walking back first into a group of Ts in lets say isolation. If the situation that the CT is putting themselves in makes no logical sense, and is clearly just to taunt the terrorists, then you are baiting them. It really is in the definition of the word, but apparently that has been forgotten over time. Now a CT doing this once, should not warrant a reaction from admins, but someone who is frequently taunting CTs should be punished accordingly.

 

If you guys disagree with this, I'd like to hear why to be honest. Blatantly taunting the terrorists is pretty rude and doesn't really lead to your objective. The main objective of the CTs is not to kill everyone, because you win at the end of the round as long as you're alive. The goal is to keep order and stay alive, which is the complete opposite of what your'e doing if you're wasting your time baiting.

I've always treated baiting as such.

 

Unnamed Newbie, eat your heart out.

 

But in all seriousness. Why is baiting only considered baiting if the CT deliberately walks into a knifing T?

How is it not baiting when a CT jumps (fully aware of what they're doing) in front of big cage where all the Ts are and turns their back towards them?

Yes, they're stupid but such an event should be classified as baiting. "The T's don't have to knife him" is brought up but then again, that CT is baiting the temptation of knifing him.

 

Clarification of the rules on PB is a topic scheduled to be discussed with the CA+.

This is definitely something that should be touched up on more deeply.

[Toyz]

See that's the way I always saw it but the explanation I gave ITT was how it was last explained to me.

 

Here's a link to the last time we discussed it.

 

 

That thread was made because i slayed bubblez for going near me when there was a T around me.

 

Now i'm confuse as ever.