Jail Break Rule Discussion/Suggestions/Comments

[Metal]

I agree with this.

They won the LR, you did not, they should get a prize.

 

If they asked for a freeday in pool, Give it to them.

 

What I do is I always honour the Last request, But I make them follow the first few orders before they have it.

 

IE: 1 step out, face cells, than have a freeday.

 

If someone here says, well that T can rebel, Send a friend CT to follow the guy.

If he dies, well he was outplayed.

[Goku]

You're channeling your frustration into the wrong problem. We had discussion a few months ago (starts here and continues some here might be more later, but you get my point), and to sum it up for you: ANY order can be revoked by ANY ct at ANY time. /endofdiscussion

 

 

The problem isn't CT's revoking an LR freeday, the problem is Ts asking for a freeday as their LR. As I said months ago, it's stupid and I initially started the wave of revoking the LR freedays as means of getting Ts to actually do an LR (such as KF, or S4S etc.). It worked for awhile, and I haven't noticed any issues when I've been on since then, but I guess part of it depends on who's playing at the time.

 

And if a T refuses to LR, just do like we also discussed a few months ago. Order him to freeze, ask for an Lr. If he won't LR, make him stay frozen. If he takes a step, warning shot him for moving and keep asking him to LR. Majority of the time they either die for not staying frozen, or they take an LR.

 

 

 

Edit: To save some trouble, here's Onion's quote:

 

...Yeah people who ask for freedays next round don't need to be followed. However not allowing the order isn't something I'll do since in the first place the CTs really don't have to follow the LR since LRs shouldn't carry on to the next day.

[michellec]

this kid was threatening me and he told me how I wasn't allowed to say to take a step out and freeze every round

am I not allowed to do that or

[Goku]

this kid was threatening me and he told me how I wasn't allowed to say to take a step out and freeze every round

am I not allowed to do that or

 

CTs aren't supposed to repeat orders. Meaning CTs can't order us to say, soccer or big cage 3-4 times in a row (or more). But the one step out and freeze is perfectly okay, as you aren't spending the whole round there and it isn't the actual order for the round. Although it's funny that most people don't even know the point of one step out, face the back and freeze.

[Ayjin]

And that mindset is what keeps people from participating in anything, I'd like that to change. It isn't the "end of discussion". I asked nuclear onion about what he thinks, he hasn't responded yet. If I wanted to get your response, I would've tagged you.

 

I'm trying to get this rule changed because I only see it being beneficial towards the server. You didn't even list why we should keep the rule, you just restated what nuclear said MONTHS AGO. I wouldn't bring this up, if this wasn't a problem. I've been hearing around for awhile now, "what's the point of doing Deathgames or lr's if we always get denied or revoked". So unless you have an actual reason as to why this rule shouldn't be changed. Your input is more than discouraged, it is unneeded.

 

So, going on the "LR tactic" making them freeze, etc. That still doesn't solve the issue of delaying the round. Cause the T, still won't be giving an LR...

So back on track, I'd like to know if this could be changed, or your opinion on it @Nuclear Onion

[Goku]

And that mindset is what keeps people from participating in anything, I'd like that to change. It isn't the "end of discussion". I asked nuclear onion about what he thinks, he hasn't responded yet. If I wanted to get your response, I would've tagged you.

 

I'm trying to get this rule changed because I only see it being beneficial towards the server. You didn't even list why we should keep the rule, you just restated what nuclear said MONTHS AGO. I wouldn't bring this up, if this wasn't a problem. I've been hearing around for awhile now, "what's the point of doing Deathgames or lr's if we always get denied or revoked". So unless you have an actual reason as to why this rule shouldn't be changed. Your input is more than discouraged, it is unneeded.

 

So, going on the "LR tactic" making them freeze, etc. That still doesn't solve the issue of delaying the round. Cause the T, still won't be giving an LR...

So back on track, I'd like to know if this could be changed, or your opinion on it @Nuclear Onion

 

I actually linked you to the exact conversations we had months ago, when we resolved this issue. If I must, here are the exact relevant quotes:

 

I revoke lr free days or restrict the shit out of them all the time for a few reasons:

 

1) it's stupid. Free day next round as an lr is just plain stupid. If you want to look at it from a role play perspective, no sane person would request to have something for themselves after they are killed. And secondly, I find personal free days to never be anything but trouble. It's slightly less trouble if they have a unique skin, but keeping track of which white jumpsuit T has the freeday and them not being accidentally killed is always a hassle.

 

2) it's bullshit and revoking it is within the rules as A- Any free day can be revoked at any time B- LRs are not required to be given. Yes they died for it, but C- It was last round. Each round marks a fresh beginning. I can't kill someone for knifing me last round. Why should I be forced to stick with an order a CT gave last round?

 

There are no wardens, and any CT can give and revoke any order. Does it make me an asshole? Yeah, but as i always tell them, pick a better LR.

 

^ This quite a lot of times. It is a hassle to keep track of a person who looks the same as everyone else and LR FreeDay next round on role-playing when you really get into it? Each round is a "new day" on PB since everyone starts from their spawns, if bluntly put role-playing wise.

 

lol what's the fun in getting an LR to kill yourself then fuck around the next round? Just to get an easy rebel when a CT isn't watching or something?

 

Yeah people who ask for freedays next round don't need to be followed. However not allowing the order isn't something I'll do since in the first place the CTs really don't have to follow the LR since LRs shouldn't carry on to the next day.

 

Any order can be revoked at Any time.

 

At the same time, not sure of the 100% exact wording (it's above me but on mobile so can't quote atm) but: A CT can revoke or deny a LR at any time.

 

 

Also, the CTs give the orders. Not the Ts. A T can request to have stipulations placed on the LR, but in the end the CT team has the final say.

 

It is technically their last request as its the last thing they ask for before dieing, but they're the stupid one for wasting their LR on it. As said earlier, it's a new round. The CTs don't have to follow up on the LR. They can also just revoke it, because, again, Any order can be revoked at any time.

 

The solution to your problem already lies within the rules. CTs often dont realize this and that's their fault for not familiarizing themselves with the rules ahead of time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everything said then, still applies now. When you hear "round draw" or "Counter-Terrorists/Terrorists win" whatever happened that day, is now the past. You can't force a CT to give a freeday that a different CT ordered the previous round.

 

 

 

And "what's the point of doing Deathgames or lr's if we always get denied or revoked", really is a false statement. The LR gets denied/revoked if it's a freeday next round. Pick a better LR. Knife fight, gun toss, shot 4 shot, long jump, surf, soccer match, tic tac toe, crazy maze, colors, breakfloor, dance in disco for a little bit, jump off the diving board etc. etc. The list can go on.

 

So no, we don't need to add a rule forcing CTs to not be able to revoke a LR/deathgame freeday. LRs can still be given and rewarded. Tell the Ts to stop complaining for not getting their freeday, and tell them to actually do something.

[Ayjin]

I actually linked you to the exact conversations we had months ago, when we resolved this issue. If I must, here are the exact relevant quotes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everything said then, still applies now. When you hear "round draw" or "Counter-Terrorists/Terrorists win" whatever happened that day, is now the past. You can't force a CT to give a freeday that a different CT ordered the previous round.

 

 

 

And "what's the point of doing Deathgames or lr's if we always get denied or revoked", really is a false statement. The LR gets denied/revoked if it's a freeday next round. Pick a better LR. Knife fight, gun toss, shot 4 shot, long jump, surf, soccer match, tic tac toe, crazy maze, colors, breakfloor, dance in disco for a little bit, jump off the diving board etc. etc. The list can go on.

 

So no, we don't need to add a rule forcing CTs to not be able to revoke a LR/deathgame freeday. LRs can still be given and rewarded. Tell the Ts to stop complaining for not getting their freeday, and tell them to actually do something.

Once again, I'm trying to get it changed, stop bring up conversations months ago. Thx. You don't decide the rules, cause you don't decide that at all. You barely play JB anymore reguardless. Being that I'm on pretty much the majority of the time, have noticed the problem at hand. Assuming telling everyone to stop complainin is going to work is historical, if that worked we'd never have to have any discussions. Too bad they are actually people, and don't listen all the time.

 

So here's an idea, let's try to help them out, by rewarding them for participating in fun events on JB! That make the rounds go faster! More chances to rebel! Most of all, a better experience on JB, oooo oooor I'll just send them all to a non-death game place every round. Don't worry, we'll switch it up to make sure we don't repeat orders! K?

[Metal]

oooor I'll just send them all to a non-death game place every round. Don't worry, we'll switch it up to make sure we don't repeat orders! K?

 

You mean there are other orders other than sending them to a place to stand for 2 minutes until being moved to another place for 2 minutes?

 

 

 

Goku; You are missing the point here.

 

Half the time, even when the LR is not asking for a Free Day (Disco,Pool,TicTacToe,Climb etc) is still revoked.

I'll tell you the reason CT's keep revoking them, "It gives that T a chance to rebel and ruin the game"

 

Any time a T wins a Last request, I will always honour it unless they asked for a freeday, I tell them, pick something other than a freeday.

If they ask for pool, I will follow them and watch them, that's how it would work in any prison right?

This is a role player server, you wouldnt send a prisoner all by himself to a wide open pool with guns, right?

 

You only need one person to watch said person, and If the T manages to kill him, thats part of the game or Role Play.

 

Main point, non-Freeday LR's are still revoked, even tho, that one person can be watched by a CT.

ANY order can be revoked by ANY ct at ANY time. /endofdiscussion

 

Any order that is revoked can be revoked and reissued by the CT who gave it. /loophole

 

The CT's need to be part of the solution here too and we need to set an example.

If I'm a CT, I will tell the T what options they have for a LR.

 

It could be;

• Shot 4 Shot
  
• Knife fight
  
• Gun Toss
  

 

If they don't want a game and want to get right to the last request, as I said above I'll give them the options they have;

 

• Disco
  
• Pool
  
• Climb
  
• A Deathgame (Colors etc)
  
• Minigames (Tictactoe)
  
• Any room on the map
  

 

If its only one T, one CT can watch them, If its more than one T who asks for a LR to go somewhere in a list given, that CT can pick for them so those T's go to the same area.

 

We are truly over thinking this and making it harder than it is.

 

 

If You ask for a freeday, I will revoke it and ask you to pick something else. (Pool, Kitchen, Football etc)

The next round, I will honour it after you follow the take first step out of cell etc or go to big cage.

I will monitor you and not leave you by yourself.

 

And if my CT buddy revokes my orders for that T, I will revoke the revoke.

[Nuclear Onion]

I'll talk about this with @Wawa when we get the chance.

[Nuclear Onion]

We are truly over thinking this and making it harder than it is.

 

That's funny to me since in the end, this whole discussion is overthinking the concept of LRs.

 

It's actually simple already, after reading the posts on this topic, we really don't see a great reason why we should change anything here. Let's all stop and think about it for a second; who runs the prison/jail in the end? The CTs. The fact that Ts even get the right to ask for a last request is pretty much a reward itself. I think we are so hellbent on the concept of "Well the T never gets to have their way with an LR, so they should be able to have their wish granted." The reality is, it's under the CTs decision if they actually feel nice enough to give LRs and all.

 

If they CTs feel they want to revoke an LR, then it so be it. If a T delays for a couple minutes because they don't want an LR, then so be it. The Ts don't need to be rewarded anything for being a "good prisoner" for there are no "good prisoners" in jail. I feel we forget that this is a prison, not a daycare. Even if it seems like such at times.