Do you feel that the SA-Sub and CA-Sub ranks should be done with? 18 members have voted

[Caution]

I'm not sure what the hell suddenly has happened in our servers, but I believe Potato's original post had nothing to do with admins punishing other admins, and was entirely around the idea that while yes Subs do deserve perks, being allowed to slap a fellow SA while they can't slap you back or do anything about it simply because you're able to donate and they aren't is kinda bullshit.

 

If that's all you got out of my post, I'm not going further in depth lol. I literally went over that as well as other changes, with detailed reasons.

[ExRev]

If that's all you got out of my post, I'm not going further in depth lol. I literally went over that as well as other changes, with detailed reasons.

 

I saw the rest, just didn't feel "If you remove the ability to target one another entirely, then so be it" fit with the post. =P

 

That being said, if you remove the ability to target one another entirely, then so be it.

[Caution]

I'm failing to see how it's not a potential alternative to the issue that was brought up.

[Caution]

And tbh, the poll itself is talking about ending ca sub and sa sub ranks, which in itself will not be happening. I could just move this to rejected and leave it at that, or lay out detailed reasoning and explanation as to possible steps we will take to compromise. Lol

[ExRev]

I'm failing to see how it's not a potential alternative to the issue that was brought up.

 

 

Sorry if my thinking and posting make it sound like that's what I meant, that's not. And you are correct that the poll was for the ending of the two sub ranks, which could have possibly been better worded. But I 100% get what you said about having that sub rank is much easier than having to manually edit each person as they get Sub and as they no longer have Sub.

[XeNo]

Damn. No one bothered to tag me or mention this to me? I'm the one that did this in the first place.

 

I put the immunity's the way that they are for a reason, one that Caution already brought up. Admins are not supposed to use commands on each other, it's strike-worthy, and is not allowed. However, friends slap each other all the time and mess around. The point of the immunity levels being higher is not meant to be some kind of punishment to fellow SAs, nor was it done with "Now this SA can slap CAs all they want cause they paid for it, haha stupid CAs can't target them either". If you get slapped and get pissed about it, then you were slapped in a way that is strike worthy. If you get slapped and are only pissed because you can't do it back to them, most likely that person is your friend who paid for Sub while you did not.

 

There's a reason why it should not matter what immunity they have, if it's seriously an issue, it means that Admins are misusing their powers and should get a strike for it. If the only issue is you can't slap your friends back when they slap you for fun, then I don't see a point in removing the immunity. The extra commands were, for the most part, commands that all SAs had at one point but got them removed. Every command can be game-impacting if used incorrectly, and Admin abuse is still punishable, but the extra commands were only meant to give Subs more creative ways for punishing. Ignite instead of slay, maul at end of a game instead of slay on TTT, etc.

 

I'll edit this post with more info when I'm back from class. You guys are only arguing points that are strike-worthy with or without immunity and therefore I don't see a reason to remove it. If an Admin slaps you and you didn't like it, it's abuse. If you didn't like it because you can't slap them back, tell your friend to knock it off and call it a day.

 

Edit:

So I'm back from class and don't really have much else to add. The only thing I would say is that the immunity levels for Subs can remain the same as the normal ranks, but keep the extra powers since they are really not harming anything but giving them a few fun tools that they can use versus the typical slap/slay/mute commands.

[sphinxxxy]

i honestly think that the real and only issue with the sub ranks is that SAsubs have more power over normal CAs, although CAs are supposedly supposed to be ranked higher.

[BlackWhite]

i honestly think that the real and only issue with the sub ranks is that SAsubs have more power over normal CAs, although CAs are supposedly supposed to be ranked higher.

or sa should have equal power, but well, i think xeno said it all.