[Rejected] Admin Applications

[SpikedRocker]

 

• Increase the time for people to apply to 6 months to allow the ENTIRE community to get a good handle on their pros and cons. This would stop people from running around acting fake and nice for 6 months and let everyone get a good read on how that person actually acts. I'd say an increase to 6 months would probably stop 50% of the people who are getting admin for the vanity and don't care about SG or it's players.
  

This typically is what has been happening by default anyway. There are a few occasions where someone will stand out and we can do it sooner. We like to have that flexibility to do so, if its appropriate.

• Don't allow Mems, Regs, SAs, CAs, to see everyone's posts on applications. This will prevent people from feeling nervous about maybe saying something negative about their friend while still leaving a system where people are supposed to put forth their personal experience. This would also would stop my previously mentioned issue with people simply regurgitating something someone else has already said out of pure laziness or for lack of a better word. Dicksucking. I'm not entirely sure whether the forums has the foundation to facilitate a system like this but if it could be done that would be terrific.
  

This really won't happen as others have stated, but on top of that if someone would be in favor of someone but sees someone have an experience that troubles them. They could re-evaluate that support. It also could go the other way where someone had a bad experience and wants to not support but the instance gets explained to the satisfaction of the potential opposer. I'll go into depth about actual posting after addressing all these points.

• Remove the 100 post requirement (or lower it) because there is actually a lot of players on the servers who dislike the forums and just want to help out the servers. While posts on the forums helps gauge someones critical thinking and personality I think it shouldn't be a requirement and should be treated more like an accolade. This will also stop people from spamming the forums with shit posts constantly.
  

As Caution said, this won't happen. We need to know admins are comfortable using our forums. We post a lot of rule discussions in the SA section, even today not every Admin looks at it. That is a whole problem on to itself. Recently, we've had to issue admin strikes over the stupidest mistake admins can make because they choose to ignore something we've talked about several times.

 

Forum spam can be cut down by reporting spam posts. Anyone on the CA+ team will handle it without issue cause we hate it too. It is totally do able to get 100 posts in the time requirement and not spam. People just need to put in that effort.

• If all else fails, leave the decisions solely up to SA+ in a private section on the forums.
  

Yeah we already have enough hands in the pot when it comes to some of these decisions and would not want to have a long ass discussion on something this trivial. If we do have questions, we do ask other ranks to find answers to those questions.

 

I've discussed this issue several times in some manner this year. My explanation in the process is pretty simple to grasp. When reviewing admin applications, I look at every post in the thread. Don't matter how many posts I look at them all to make sure I have all the information. Posts that are described as Quoted/copy and paste/ ^This, I throw out. I don't even count them. So if you have the habit of doing this, if you want your vote to count, put some fucking effort into this, you lazy bastards.

 

Next I actually look at the content that is posted. Does this person support this person because they are nice or they like them? That's nice, but doesn't really tell me anything. Does this person support this person because they point out the rules to other players? That's even better. Does this person support this person because they try to help all players while in the server and make it an enjoyable time? The best answer I can get IMO. Obviously they would have to elaborate on specific situations, but as you can see the more information in the type of player they are will help me make a decision.

 

You can be the nicest person on the server and still not get admin. Believe it or not, if you don't show that you are willing to help people in the server, you could be the pope in Rome, if you aren't willing to help the server you probably won't get admin. Admins need to be willing to help the server get better. Otherwise, why do we have them.

 

Next, I'll check the negative posts. Weigh them on how bad a quality it is for an admin. Hard to explain, but if someone who walks the line of breaking rules and being competitive in the server would be a bit worse than being "annoying".

 

At the end of it, if I can't be sure someone is good or not, I'd rather wait and explain how to make me change my mind. Yes there have been several instances where the BD group has been split in a decision, but as long as there aren't any huge red flags we are more than willing to give that person a shot. We have the 3 strike admin system that works wonders for the questionable people. Most of these people won't last long in this system, and those who do struggle at first, after they get their first strike learn from it and become great admins.

 

The whole system is a perspective and subjective. We do our best to make good decisions, but we have built in checks and balances to make sure if we do make a wrong decision, it won't last.

 

Hope this gives you more insight into how the decision is made and why we do the things we do. Got to remember we've been at this for nearly 10 years, so I feel we've grown and improved the system a ton since it started.

[roux]

I disagree with you as far as making posts private

 

I agree with Roux as far as not allowing people to just type "this ^"

 

Would you consider being somewhat more strict concerning "this^" posts? Counting them as empty posts just like "good friend, really active, should get sa"? Or just giving some kind of notice or reminder that posts should always be sincere opinions on people, deleting posts in case it's one of those "this^". Just to know how open you are to change.

[Caution]

Would you consider being somewhat more strict concerning "this^" posts? Counting them as empty posts just like "good friend, really active, should get sa"? Or just giving some kind of notice or reminder that posts should always be sincere opinions on people, deleting posts in case it's one of those "this^". Just to know how open you are to change.

 

As I said in my previous post, I was outvoted. I'll bring it up again, but no promises.

[TheBestPickle]

@All Ts, this will forever be an issue with any organization, from my experiences leading a multi-million player community, and even running as generaleading 100 people, the only true solution is having a strong group of comitted admins or highers to weed out the newer ones or lead them. No matter what restrictions, no matter how easy/hard it is to become an admin, no matter who it is or what they do, the responsibility lies in the hands of the directors or the admin supervisors.

[Goku]

@All Tsfrom my experiences leading a multi-million player community

 

[TheBestPickle]

@Goku , http://www.ksiglobal.org/portfolio/hall-of-fame-2/ Look near the bottom, Ringare 7. If you wanna play some xbox with me I still have my old account under the name. we can chat about difference between you and the community I helped build.

[delirium]

@Goku , http://www.ksiglobal.org/portfolio/hall-of-fame-2/ Look near the bottom, Ringare 7. If you wanna play some xbox with me I still have my old account under the name. we can chat about difference between you and the community I helped build.

 

For someone who helped build a "multi-million player community" you sure do a good job of putting your foot in your mouth.

[GunterThePenguinGod]

Yes, I completely agree with @RouxQuiDecalisse on this. I feel like if at the beginning of an admin app a lot of people vote abstain/reapply, most people are going to follow through with that and use the "this ^", or maybe those posts will effect their opinions just on what others said. If it was implemented so that nobody but the applicant and the BDs could see the responses, I feel like people would more so express their opinions on whether or not the applicant should get SA or not.

 

Yes Im with Them On This.