[Rejected] Admin grace period

[Solid]

Too often do I see members that are active everyday for months, then as soon as they apply for admin (their application is then approved) their activity drops. The idea of bringing a 6 month period for new admins to where they'd need to be active for "x" amount of hours or days per week or month.

 

Where do you get this idea from? From checking the recently approved admin applications, I could only apply this to 1 or 2 of them MAX. I think that the admins are on very frequently, granted not on JB, and there is no problem with activity. Also, with the whole idea of forcing them on for a certain amount of time, this is a very terrible idea. Some times people just have their own issues and matters at hand that are more important than banning someone whos freekilling or rdming. Getting good grades in school, having a job, having a good sleep schedule, etc. You can't just assume that admins are willing and able to be on 24/7 and are there to cater to your every needs, and this is why we have a player complaint system. If they're breaking the rules, you also have the ability to get them banned.

 

This will prevent those who join our community just for the admin rank, then as soon as they receive it. They turn into a ghost and you will only see them every so often. Of course it won't be set in stone. If something comes up with the admin in "grace period" and he won't be able to fulfill the required activity he/she due to IRL issues then their rank could be put on hold until further notice.

 

What is the point of restricting someone's admin abilities if they aren't gonna be on anyways. If they aren't even on, they aren't even gonna use their admin abilities. This is pretty much useless.

 

I'm not saying the admin NEEDS to be on 24/7 but to the point where the CA+ can watch how they use their powers. This will not only help with activity of the admin in "grace period" but also determine if they truly deserve that position.

 

Well if they are not using their abilities properly, theres something called an admin complaint, where you can report them. If they don't actually deserve it/are abusing their powers, they'll get demoted or kicked off eventually. Again here you're assuming that admins have the time and capability to be on all the time, when you have no consideration for their own lives.

 

Once the admin is out of their grace period they will be free to visit the servers on or off, there won't be a required amount of hours/days they will need to play on the servers.

 

Now I'm no admin myself, nor have I put much thought into becoming one, but I understand that they have their own lives and can't always be there. I believe that this suggestion is foolish because it seems that you put no thought into what happens in their lives, and rather only want to have them on for your benefit.

[XeNo]

On one side I can see @All T's point, but I can also see @SpikedRocker's point. Yes the admins have lives, yes they have jobs and maybe they don't want to admin PB because its cancerous but they signed up to do this. I sorta agree with this but sorta don't I agree that the higher-ups should continue to check admin activity and make sure everyone is being active but I feel like putting a time limit on it would kinda stress out the person more especially if there already stressed out with school/work. In my opinion an admin who signed up for this should put in at least 4hrs a week or more. If this was the community where you get chosen to be an admin activity wouldn't be a problem for me but since you sign up for this you should be able to give some time. Also I find it ridiculous that an admin won't come to PB because they say its too cancer. Especially when you CALL THEM IN. If you don't come to help out on JB because its "Cancerous" then I think your admin should be removed.

 

If you have any questions on why I feel this way feel free to contact me on steam.

It's unfortunate that you will never get Admin to understand why your philosophy on how Admins should act is fucking ridiculous.

 

The people who become Admins sign up to help the community, and their favorite servers, the best they can. If an Admin willingly allows someone to break the rules and cross the line of our community's expectations, that's one thing, not willing to join the server is another. If an Admin does not like Admining PB, we are not going to MAKE them join it. Many of our Admins out of being good people will join a server they dislike to ensure players play by the rules, but that is not a requirement. The only thing we require from our Admins is that they handle their powers responsibly, act as role models, and help the best they can. If an Admin doesn't like playing in one of our servers, that is fine with us, we have other Admins.

 

How about before you go spouting more bullshit expectations, as you have before, I tell you that I expect you to be grateful for what our Admins do here. If you can't, then I will remove you from the community just as you'd like to see our Admins removed for not living up to your expectations. Only difference is that my expectation for you to have some shred of decency and respect for our Admins as fellow human beings, not your personal robotic labor workers, isn't fucking unrealistic.

[All Ts]

Gonna try to keep this thread productive as I see an incoming shitstorm.

 

Just tossing ideas out there, please don't break my kneecaps and stomp my village.

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What about globally increasing an admins raffle points to x8-10 instead of x4?

 

This chance is pretty self explanatory, it's just to raise incentive higher.

 

What would you guys think about giving PB deal more points to admins than the other servers?

 

The logic would be that since it's harder & more stressful to administrate you get a higher benefit in playing it (i dont know if i personally agree with the idea that its harder to administrate, but its something i keep hearing over and over) , hopefully increasing the benefits higher than the cost for administrators.

 

Lets share some ideas and see if we can come up with something boys.

[frosty]

Giving admins more raffle points would discourage them to subscribe.

[BloodyKiller]

I'll throw my 2 cents and vanish away.

 

When I've read the 1st message of topic, I was like :

 

Uh? After 3 months, minimum, & 100 messages posted on forum, after an apply where every single person playing on SG can give its opinion about you, those being the hardest conditions I've ever met for becoming an admin in TEN years of playing on CS servers, you want to add 6 more months grace period ?

 

lol

[BlackWhite]

PB make me slices my wrist everytime i play while administrating the server. I have people complaining for not moving one person because the ratio was 7-11, mic spams, freekills, argue about rules etc etc. Then they get mad at me for not able to do anything because i didn't see the freekills. Every time i tried to help them end up me being penalized in various of ways. Which is why only few admin who stay in PB to administrating the server.

 

Rant aside, I don't think admin grace period should ever be implanted. Adding more raffle points to pb or admin won't really make them not pay for sub or encourage them to join PB, that i can say; even though i would like the raffle points. I do agreed on some admins disappear from server after a while, which makes me wonder why do they still want SA when they barely get on the server at least once a month. I had people complained to me why are admins never get on the servers when there are 50+ admins on the list.

 

TL;DR: No point of adding grace time or raffle points for admins.

[Octa]

if admins not frequenting the JB server is the real issue you are trying to fix here, then it would have been better to get straight to the point lol.

 

As an old school JB admin, I can say that right now, even without admin I won't touch that server. Maybe something has changed in the past few months, but last time I played regularly, the server population was the biggest issue to me. It seemed like half of the people playing were either trolls, kids who thought they knew the rules but only like half understood them, or people constantly pushing the rules trying to see how far they could get. The only way to fix that really would be to have a group of admin who were serious about cleaning up that kind of trash, but most people don't want to put in/dont have time to put in that amount of effort.

 

JB was never an easy server to admin, as that and TTT totaled something like 70%, if not more, of all of our bans back when I had admin (yes I made that up, but I'm sure it's close to being correct). Plus, the rules of JB have always been kind of about interpretation, and it seems like a few have changed since I was last around, so it could be harder now, idk. JB is just a headache for admins. Once you get admin, JB becomes like more of a chore than a game (to me at least) as it seems like there's always at least one or two people breaking some kind of server rule.

 

As far as the OT goes, I suppose I shouldn't comment much on inactivity xD but when I actually first got my admin, I was on a two week vacation and wasn't able to get on for that time. My point is, people have things to do IRL, and sometimes SG has to take a back seat. Forcing admins to maintain a certain activity quota, while it might seem like a good idea at first, wouldn't really be fair to do to people volunteering their time for free. I mean, demoting/warning the inactives every few months has worked fine for years. I don't really see a need to change that

[Suri]

Although I agree with giving incentive to admins to join in jb, I'll have to disagree with the rafflepoints "payment". Giving an admin more rafflepoints just because he joined on jb will only cause people to have the feeling there is some favoritism. Its a good idea nonetheless, tho the execution of it will only cause problems and discourage people to actually join in raffles or even subscribe to SG.

Next to that being an admin is purely voluntary, meaning we don't get any more benefits than a regular. I do agree that lots of admins have the opinion that jb is "cancer" and chose not to go on there (As do I, especially with a full server with no other admins to share the "job"). If an admin doesn't like jb in general its not unnatural he/she doesn't want to join. Pushing someone in joining because it is his/her JOB is just wrong, since its not our job. We only do it to help in the servers when we are on.

 

BUT I like the idea of giving someone recognition/incentive for helping on jb or any other server. Tho the admin team and the general jb population keeps changing/ growing depending on the "season" and irl stuff, I do believe this will change again nevertheless. The recent rule changes, extra slots and even the planned jb meeting shows there are people that do care about it and in a way recognize the problem.

 

A grace period as well after getting admin just sounds too much. As said by others, people have a real life and cant just jump in and admin a server. If needed people go back to their previous rank for inactivity, but watching new admins just purely for being active or not is just stupid and unnecessary. Players who go for it just for the rank usually get noticed soon enough by the higher ups, and will be discussed.

[SpikedRocker]

PB make me slices my wrist everytime i play while administrating the server. I have people complaining for not moving one person because the ratio was 7-11, mic spams, freekills, argue about rules etc etc. Then they get mad at me for not able to do anything because i didn't see the freekills. Every time i tried to help them end up me being penalized in various of ways. Which is why only few admin who stay in PB to administrating the server.

 

As an old school JB admin, I can say that right now, even without admin I won't touch that server. Maybe something has changed in the past few months, but last time I played regularly, the server population was the biggest issue to me. It seemed like half of the people playing were either trolls, kids who thought they knew the rules but only like half understood them, or people constantly pushing the rules trying to see how far they could get. The only way to fix that really would be to have a group of admin who were serious about cleaning up that kind of trash, but most people don't want to put in/dont have time to put in that amount of effort.

 

 

These two hit the point I wanted to make but I was trying to be nice about it. But after thinking about it after working half a day, fuck it I'll say it. The problem isn't with the admins. Its the players. Plain and simple. If it didn't attract the crowd it does as stated with the above people, we wouldn't even be discussing it. Many players are guilty of doing these kinds of things and it is what makes that server so difficult to administrate. It takes a rare breed of admin to put up with that kind of bullshit day in and day out. Thats why you'll see admins play for a day or two and then take a week or two off from it.

 

If you ask me, the people who play PB need to find away to make it less a headache for admins and you'll see them come back. I think @Caution will be able to help with this situation as he makes a few changes. But overall, the players will need to change their mindset and attitudes to help as well.

 

TL;DR, the player base is toxic so admins avoid it.

[Leon Mordecai]

Dont like the idea of having a grace period for admins. I mean if a person took 3 months and 100+ posts along with getting to know everyone within the community and to prove that they are capable of it, a grace period afterwards is just unnecessary. Also I'm not even sure if the admin in question or the higher ups want to constantly check every single admin to see if they active or not. If need be, we usually look over from time to time to see which admins are not active, discuss, and then demote them if need be.

 

For the whole JB admin problems, all the admins that go on JB have done their best to administrate it. However, sometimes when we do, the players usually make it worse by either complaining to the admins that "Omfg this kill free killed me pls ban hammer his ass" or some other problems they're having that is most likely not even a problem or taking it out of perspectives. Us admins are doing our best but how can we if there are players who just complaint that we aren't doing our duties or just making the server itself toxic with some random bullshit? See, if both the players and admins can cooperate together on the server it wouldn't be as toxic as most people say it is. Also the exact reason why we're even discussing all of this and having a future Teamspeak meeting on JB as a whole.