[Rejected] Admin grace period

[All Ts]

These two hit the point I wanted to make but I was trying to be nice about it. But after thinking about it after working half a day, fuck it I'll say it. The problem isn't with the admins. Its the players. Plain and simple. If it didn't attract the crowd it does as stated with the above people, we wouldn't even be discussing it. Many players are guilty of doing these kinds of things and it is what makes that server so difficult to administrate. It takes a rare breed of admin to put up with that kind of bullshit day in and day out. Thats why you'll see admins play for a day or two and then take a week or two off from it.

 

If you ask me, the people who play PB need to find away to make it less a headache for admins and you'll see them come back. I think @Caution will be able to help with this situation as he makes a few changes. But overall, the players will need to change their mindset and attitudes to help as well.

 

TL;DR, the player base is toxic so admins avoid it.

 

I feel like if you had more or rather any time on the server/CSGO currently you may feel differently. People highly exaggerate how bad Prison Break actually is.

 

In my eyes the player base does not take even half the responsibility for why PB is the way it currently is. It's a massive spit in the face every time I have to hear how cancerous PB is when I watch admins log online and punish/ban for flat out wrong reasons with little knowledge about the server or it's rules. Sure some of the player base can be brash or childish sometimes but it's honestly nothing so unbearable and horrible as people try to make it out to be. Regs have people shoving changes down our throats that we don't at all want/need. Despite the fact that we have little staffing, we get an increase in player slots. Despite the fact that the CA+ says the server is chaotic, we get forced dg that are extremely controversial and able to be abused. We have a lack of staffing that makes us constantly have to almost self manage the server.

 

 

The server is as bad as it is because of a lack of admins & bad changes, and while I don't blame the admins for not playing (if they don't want to that's their choice obviously) it's one of the main issues the server has. Getting more admins on PB, whether that be by adding more of them, giving more incentive, requiring playtime (i dont agree with that obviously), regardless of how we do it the server could seriously use some more admins and good change (hopefully the meeting Friday will accomplish some of that).

 

 

Anyway, I don't care about what we do but for how loyal the PB regulars are I'm getting pretty tired of seeing people take massive shits on them for the minority of the server that are mostly new players.

 

As you said I hope the meeting Friday goes well with Caution but with just this thread in mind I feel like we should spend less time arguing the problem & actually figure a solution.

[delirium]

I feel like if you had more or rather any time on the server/CSGO currently you may feel differently. People highly exaggerate how bad Prison Break actually is.

 

In my eyes the player base does not take even half the responsibility for why PB is the way it currently is. It's a massive spit in the face every time I have to hear how cancerous PB is when I watch admins log online and punish/ban for flat out wrong reasons with little knowledge about the server or it's rules. Sure some of the player base can be brash or childish sometimes but it's honestly nothing so unbearable and horrible as people try to make it out to be. Regs have people shoving changes down our throats that we don't at all want/need. Despite the fact that we have little staffing, we get an increase in player slots. Despite the fact that the CA+ says the server is chaotic, we get forced dg that are extremely controversial and able to be abused. We have a lack of staffing that makes us constantly have to almost self manage the server.

 

 

The server is as bad as it is because of a lack of admins & bad changes, and while I don't blame the admins for not playing (if they don't want to that's their choice obviously) it's one of the main issues the server has. Getting more admins on PB, whether that be by adding more of them, giving more incentive, requiring playtime (i dont agree with that obviously), regardless of how we do it the server could seriously use some more admins and good change (hopefully the meeting Friday will accomplish some of that).

 

 

Anyway, I don't care about what we do but for how loyal the PB regulars are I'm getting pretty tired of seeing people take massive shits on them for the minority of the server that are mostly new players.

 

As you said I hope the meeting Friday goes well with Caution but with just this thread in mind I feel like we should spend less time arguing the problem & actually figure a solution.

 

I don't feel like the recent rule changes are playing as big a role as you seem to think, but, I do agree with a lot of the points in this post.

 

PB's issues will never go away in my opinion as it is a game mode that encourages people to walk very fine lines in regards to orders and rules. To be honest it's probably 60/40 admin inactivity to annoying player base on the server at this point in time. If we can find a way to get more admins on the server 80% of the issues will magically disappear in my opinion.

[Octa]

I feel like if you had more or rather any time on the server/CSGO currently you may feel differently. People highly exaggerate how bad Prison Break actually is.

 

In my eyes the player base does not take even half the responsibility for why PB is the way it currently is. It's a massive spit in the face every time I have to hear how cancerous PB is when I watch admins log online and punish/ban for flat out wrong reasons with little knowledge about the server or it's rules. Sure some of the player base can be brash or childish sometimes but it's honestly nothing so unbearable and horrible as people try to make it out to be. Regs have people shoving changes down our throats that we don't at all want/need. Despite the fact that we have little staffing, we get an increase in player slots. Despite the fact that the CA+ says the server is chaotic, we get forced dg that are extremely controversial and able to be abused. We have a lack of staffing that makes us constantly have to almost self manage the server.

 

 

The server is as bad as it is because of a lack of admins & bad changes, and while I don't blame the admins for not playing (if they don't want to that's their choice obviously) it's one of the main issues the server has. Getting more admins on PB, whether that be by adding more of them, giving more incentive, requiring playtime (i dont agree with that obviously), regardless of how we do it the server could seriously use some more admins and good change (hopefully the meeting Friday will accomplish some of that).

 

 

Anyway, I don't care about what we do but for how loyal the PB regulars are I'm getting pretty tired of seeing people take massive shits on them for the minority of the server that are mostly new players.

 

As you said I hope the meeting Friday goes well with Caution but with just this thread in mind I feel like we should spend less time arguing the problem & actually figure a solution.

 

Hmmm, while I admit that I don't play JB anymore, the reason is that the server makes me want to die, or at least did while I was active. I don't think straight up saying "Its not us, its you" is the way to go here on either side, however. It seems like a cycle to me

 

PB population gets cancerous=drives away admins=population gets more cancerous. I don't know if there is really a "cure' for it, but there might be some potential actions to take.

 

A suggestion from me would be (and idk if this has already been tried) is to make a kind of JB team of admins, headed by some CA's or AO's or whoever. It could even include some non-admins. But this group would basically just be dedicated to try to clean up the act of the server by doing things like just being active, keeping tabs on potential problem players (i.e. players who constantly push the rules, never breaking them quite enough to get banned). Honestly, I think making some kind of admin JB community might make some of the admins more friendly with each other and with JB regulars, which might make them want to play more (if they are playing with friends and people they know). I mean, i'm not saying it would work 100%, but it could potentially serve to make JB more inviting to admins. I think something like this was even discussed when I was CA+ for use in every server, although I don't think it was really implemented. Not a perfect solution by far, but yeah.

[All Ts]

Honestly, I think making some kind of admin JB community might make some of the admins more friendly with each other and with JB regulars, which might make them want to play more (if they are playing with friends and people they know). I mean, i'm not saying it would work 100%, but it could potentially serve to make JB more inviting to admins. I think something like this was even discussed when I was CA+ for use in every server, although I don't think it was really implemented. Not a perfect solution by far, but yeah.

 

I really like this idea, we kinda have a group like on TeamSpeak that has a few PB admins/regs and we tend to get on every day for atleast an hour. It tends to make the server atmosphere much more fun & overall calmer. Can't force anyone to be friends but extending my hand to any admins/regs interested in learning the PB ropes or just trying to have fun with us dudes, we just hang out on TeamSpeak together.

 

I would love to see PB get a stronger presence in the community anyway (TS, Forums etc..) , feel like it would solve a lot of problems and be healthy.

[Caution]

People highly exaggerate how bad Prison Break actually is.

 

In my eyes the player base does not take even half the responsibility for why PB is the way it currently is. It's a massive spit in the face every time I have to hear how cancerous PB is when I watch admins log online and punish/ban for flat out wrong reasons with little knowledge about the server or it's rules. Sure some of the player base can be brash or childish sometimes but it's honestly nothing so unbearable and horrible as people try to make it out to be. Regs have people shoving changes down our throats that we don't at all want/need. Despite the fact that we have little staffing, we get an increase in player slots. Despite the fact that the CA+ says the server is chaotic, we get forced dg that are extremely controversial and able to be abused. We have a lack of staffing that makes us constantly have to almost self manage the server.

 

 

The server is as bad as it is because of a lack of admins & bad changes, and while I don't blame the admins for not playing (if they don't want to that's their choice obviously) it's one of the main issues the server has. Getting more admins on PB, whether that be by adding more of them, giving more incentive, requiring playtime (i dont agree with that obviously), regardless of how we do it the server could seriously use some more admins and good change (hopefully the meeting Friday will accomplish some of that).

 

 

Anyway, I don't care about what we do but for how loyal the PB regulars are I'm getting pretty tired of seeing people take massive shits on them for the minority of the server that are mostly new players.

 

As you said I hope the meeting Friday goes well with Caution but with just this thread in mind I feel like we should spend less time arguing the problem & actually figure a solution.

 

Note: "you" in my following post doesn't mention anyone in particular, just in general.

 

I actually agree with the majority of the points brought up in this post, and even made explicitly obvious what I find to be an issue. When I go on PB, oftentimes I find an SA+ enforcing something ridiculous, to which I step in and tell them to cool it or that they are in the wrong. I don't blame SA's for anything in particular, I'm just saying I have noticed admins in general stepping a bit too far over the line in terms of administrating.

 

Now, onto freekilling...does an admin have the right to punish someone for a single freekill that the player apologized for? Well, sure. Is it always the best decision to slay them anyways? Not always. It's extremely rare for me to slay people for a first time free kill, unless it is just painfully fucking obvious the dude is being a dick on purpose. If it's a new player or just an accident, why slay the person - especially if they apologized for doing it? I don't step in and tell admins how to handle a situation like this because they are completely well within their rights to slay a person for any type of free kill...I just think it's a bit ridiculous sometimes what I see.

 

I legitimately don't get where people are saying PB is chaotic or crazy. ZE is a fucking madhouse compared to PB, in my opinion. If people complain to you to punish somebody for freekilling, why jump into a situation that you didn't witness and spend 2 rounds going back and forth asking what happened? Just take it with a grain of salt and watch the person to see if he does anything. Don't get so worked up about having to answer to every single complaint everyone has.

 

Another thing that boggles my mind recently is ratio control. Admins get SO bent out of shape when the ratio is even slightly geared towards CT favor. How many times have I ever witnessed an admin forcing someone to go CT because there are too many T's? Never. Not once in the entire time I have played here at SG - and I used to LIVE on PB the way some of you do today. I would get home from school and play lila panic, PB, or scrim for about 5-8 hours a day almost. Admins get so worked up about the slightest possibility of there being one too many CT's. The server constantly has people joining and disconnecting, which just looks stupid for you to switch players constantly. If the ratio is 20 CT's and 4 T's then sure, by all means, fix that. 10 CT's and 20 T's is not, remotely, in the slightest, AT ALL, something to get beint out of shape over and switch players for. 95% of the time the ratio will fix itself. This is also something I plan on addressing at the meeting.

[frosty]

I legitimately don't get where people are saying PB is chaotic or crazy. ZE is a fucking madhouse compared to PB, in my opinion.

 

Can I ask why you think this? Not attacking you in anyway, just curious! As someone who frequents ZE and used to admin it I have to disagree due to the fact there are way less things to manage and admin on ZE.

[Caution]

Can I ask why you think this? Not attacking you in anyway, just curious! As someone who frequents ZE and used to admin it I have to disagree due to the fact there are way less things to manage and admin on ZE.

 

The sheer amount of people mic spamming almost every time I am ever in ZE is far more obnoxious than someone complaining about how they were freekilled.

[delirium]

The sheer amount of people mic spamming almost every time I am ever in ZE is far more obnoxious than someone complaining about how they were freekilled.

 

don't forget stacking at doors so it takes a decade to break them.

[Kurohime]

Can I ask why you think this? Not attacking you in anyway, just curious! As someone who frequents ZE and used to admin it I have to disagree due to the fact there are way less things to manage and admin on ZE.

 

i'm pretty sure almost all of my non-RDM bans and punishes are mostly from ZE

i'm not sure how it is now but whenever i joined ZE the entire server would be chaos and there'd be no admins on

[Black Rain]

i'm pretty sure almost all of my non-RDM bans and punishes are mostly from ZE

i'm not sure how it is now but whenever i joined ZE the entire server would be chaos and there'd be no admins on

 

Still understaffed and tons of mic spamming xd