[Rejected] Admin grace period

[Paralyzed]

I think it's fair to say that I've been in this community for a pretty damn long time and that's because of the people that are in this community and the servers we have. There's one server that has always been my least favorite and that unfortunately is PB. I tend to stay away from it as I can't really seem to enjoy myself there, not as a player, but certainly not as an admin. However that doesn't stop me from going in there every once in a while when the need is there though, but I never have the intentions to stay any longer than necessary.

 

I can't go in the server undercover without kids looking up my profile to find out I'm an admin and they always call me out as such "Hey Para!".... (This literally only happens on PB, but god I have no clue why they always actively look for undercover admins).

 

Just know that if you are playing PB as a player right now, it will be very different once you get admin. There aren't many opportunities for you to just "play" and have fun as you used to (being a regular) as you'll most likely end up having to admin all day.

[The Real Slim Jim]

as a jb player i understand the cancer that im a part of but i definitely don't add to it and try to do my best with player complaints instead of dragging an admin in when i can do my part instead. i dont think there are alot of people who play jb as their main server that would get admin if they tried, so i dont see there being any new jb admins anytime soon. so unless something happens to change it, it feels like jb is spiralling out of control.

maybe @Caution can do something to change that but tbh like others have said i think its really a player base isssue. maybe not so much the admins.

 

if we as a community want to make pb better we need to do it, not tell someone else they need to.

 

this comes down to us making player complaints whenever you can, dont wait for an admin to get on, go to spec if you have to and demo the guy then go post about it. if its an issue that needs delt with straight away go call an admin. no admin that i have called has ever said no im not going to go help you.

 

while i think we do lack admins on jb we also lack initiative, we can do things too its not all down to the admins.

 

 

i havent seen anyone set up an event on jb either, the only one ive seen that wasnt from 2015 was halloween. events are fun and making an admin vs member jb event could be really fun and we might learn something from it, we might actually be able to remember what jb was like before it was cancerous.

 

anyways i kinda ranted.

 

oh yeah the admin grace period was a bad idea disregard it.

#MakeJBGreatAgain

[All Ts]

as a jb player i understand the cancer that im a part of but i definitely don't add to it and try to do my best with player complaints instead of dragging an admin in when i can do my part instead. i dont think there are alot of people who play jb as their main server that would get admin if they tried, so i dont see there being any new jb admins anytime soon. so unless something happens to change it, it feels like jb is spiralling out of control.

maybe @Caution can do something to change that but tbh like others have said i think its really a player base isssue. maybe not so much the admins.

 

if we as a community want to make pb better we need to do it, not tell someone else they need to.

 

this comes down to us making player complaints whenever you can, dont wait for an admin to get on, go to spec if you have to and demo the guy then go post about it. if its an issue that needs delt with straight away go call an admin. no admin that i have called has ever said no im not going to go help you.

 

while i think we do lack admins on jb we also lack initiative, we can do things too its not all down to the admins.

 

 

i havent seen anyone set up an event on jb either, the only one ive seen that wasnt from 2015 was halloween. events are fun and making an admin vs member jb event could be really fun and we might learn something from it, we might actually be able to remember what jb was like before it was cancerous.

 

anyways i kinda ranted.

 

oh yeah the admin grace period was a bad idea disregard it.

#MakeJBGreatAgain

 

I understand your point but these are all things that happen anyway, this thread isn't about how the players should be stepping up (cause I think for the most part the regs are trying their best) it's about finding a way to entice admins to somehow to play something like PB & to overall create a positive impact on admins activity.

 

The reason PB was brought up by me was because I feel like it's the prime example of why we need to push to get more admins onto the servers, whether the action we take is giving them a Gold Star or stripping their admin are just different ideas people have brought forward.

 

PB isn't as bad as people make it out to be, it only appears as bad as it is cause a lot of people in my opinion are over exaggerating it.

 

Tldr; it's going to be fine, administrators are the issue-not the regulars, and PB was only brought into this thread due to it being a prime example of why we should take some kind of action regarding the quantity (and quite frankly quality) of active admins.

[sean]

 

Now, onto freekilling...does an admin have the right to punish someone for a single freekill that the player apologized for? Well, sure. Is it always the best decision to slay them anyways? Not always. It's extremely rare for me to slay people for a first time free kill, unless it is just painfully fucking obvious the dude is being a dick on purpose. If it's a new player or just an accident, why slay the person - especially if they apologized for doing it? I don't step in and tell admins how to handle a situation like this because they are completely well within their rights to slay a person for any type of free kill...I just think it's a bit ridiculous sometimes what I see.

 

 

Because if you don't slay them, you will get berated by the player that got freekilled for not doing your job, even if you only warned them.

[BlackWhite]

I legitimately don't get where people are saying PB is chaotic or crazy. ZE is a fucking madhouse compared to PB, in my opinion.

 

I disagree, ZE only have mic related issues, pushing zombies ahead of players and bait. There is !sm for people spamming and you know who push zombie ahead when you spec at the zombies. Although i do acknowledge the fact that not many people go to ZE because the game mode is too long.

 

In PB, you have people freekilling, mic spam, rules disagreement, t bait etc etc. Admins often have 3-4 people complaining having issues with other players.

 

Another thing that boggles my mind recently is ratio control. Admins get SO bent out of shape when the ratio is even slightly geared towards CT favor. How many times have I ever witnessed an admin forcing someone to go CT because there are too many T's? Never. Not once in the entire time I have played here at SG - and I used to LIVE on PB the way some of you do today. I would get home from school and play lila panic, PB, or scrim for about 5-8 hours a day almost. Admins get so worked up about the slightest possibility of there being one too many CT's.

 

I can't say much about other admins but I do force people go CT because the ratio was like 4-18. I just picked the top fragger from T or randomly sometimes. The reason of Admins get so worked up about the slightest possibility of there being one too many CT's are because of, in my opinion, people whining to much about the ratio. I can' tell how many times i had to tell them the ratio is fine at it is and they yelled me because 1-2 Ts left the game.

[Four]

To be quite honest, I have been in and out of JB the past few days. I will say there has been at least one admin on each time during my playtime for each of those days. Although I feel the server itself is the issue. It isn't the admins, regulars, or the community itself. The recent rule changes is a big factor to why the server has had so many issues lately. There is a lack of administrators regularly playing on the JB server but that isn't something we can't MAKE the administrators do.

 

If we somehow can change the server to benefit both players and admins it will be beneficial to the community overall, also with @Caution taking over JB I have a good feeling things will defiantly change for the good overall.

 

My suggestion on the other hand, I can admit wasn't very thought out. Considering the responses from the community I can accept that it is already hard enough to become admin there does not need to be a "grace period" on top of it all.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Caution]

There aren't many opportunities for you to just "play" and have fun as you used to (being a regular) as you'll most likely end up having to admin all day.

 

I completely disagree with this. Will post more at the bottom.

 

Because if you don't slay them, you will get berated by the player that got freekilled for not doing your job, even if you only warned them.

 

Will post more at the bottom.

 

I disagree, ZE only have mic related issues, pushing zombies ahead of players and bait. There is !sm for people spamming and you know who push zombie ahead when you spec at the zombies. Although i do acknowledge the fact that not many people go to ZE because the game mode is too long.

 

We can disagree about PB or ZE being more chaotic all day and night - it's a completely subjective argument and doesn't really have any merit behind it on either side.

 

In PB, you have people freekilling, mic spam, rules disagreement, t bait etc etc. Admins often have 3-4 people complaining having issues with other players.

 

Will post more at the bottom.

I can't say much about other admins but I do force people go CT because the ratio was like 4-18.

 

Which is fine.

The reason of Admins get so worked up about the slightest possibility of there being one too many CT's are because of, in my opinion, people whining to much about the ratio. I can' tell how many times i had to tell them the ratio is fine at it is and they yelled me because 1-2 Ts left the game.

 

Will post more at the bottom.

 

 

Admins getting worked up over people complaining in PB is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. Literally - just sit there and say you didn't see it. If they get obnoxious / overly rude, warn / kick / ban. You guys (meaning admins in general) that insert yourself into every player's drama is so farfetched to me because you're creating an environment for yourself that's toxic, annoying, and just not fun after a certain amount of time.

 

I want to be absolutely clear with this:

 

If you get upset, worked up, annoyed, (insert any other synonym here), etc. by people complaining to you about being freekilled, you should probably not play prison break. It isn't because I think any of you are bad admins, don't follow protocol, or whatever, it's because there is no rule change I could ever create to get rid of that. People will always complain about being free killed, no matter what. There is nothing I can do to help as far as this specific situation goes.

 

I also want to say this:

 

I implore admins who say PB is chaotic to message me when they join the server. I will come along with you and you can see exactly how I sit back and play the server while still maintaining a relative admin presence when shit gets really out of hand. For the life of me, 'players being mean and complaining' is just something I can't understand as a valid reason. You guys have an entire admin menu at your disposal. Someone being obnoxious and spamming they were free killed? "Hey dude, I didn't see it, just chill out." Player keeps going? Mute. Wait a round. Unmute. Keeps going? Kick. Keeps going? Ban. A lot of people being annoying? sm_mute @all for a round.

 

Please message me when you get on so I can witness what you guys are claiming and possibly make suggestions on how to deal with it. I would love for everyone to enjoy PB, but if you truly do not enjoy it because of the players complaining - just don't play. That is not something I can write away with the stroke of a keyboard, and I have never claimed to be able to do that.

[XeNo]

Caution, I'm going to be honest and say that I think it has a lot to do with rank as well. I can join any server and never have many problems simply because people know who I am.

 

When I join PB on my alts, I see the problems Admins are complaining about. An Admin can join PB and then get complained about a freekill, not do anything because they didn't see it and say "I didn't see it, sorry" and try to continue playing. But it won't work like that for SAs. The players harass them further with "What a shit admin just check the logs" or the next time something sketchy happens, "Nah admin won't do shit about freekills cause they don't know how to play" or what have you. When a PB reg Admin logs on, everyone shapes up and plays better, also they don't berate the Admins as much.

 

Literally no Admin who has a basic understanding of how PB works can join that server without the regs there giving them shit for ignoring them. I have seen Admins do as you suggest to them, telling the regs they didn't see it but they'll be on the look out, and they still get berated for it. They ignore the fact Admins can't punish for what they didn't see and just call them a shit Admin. Admins that aren't as keen on all the fine gray areas and PB rules may try to avoid punishing for something since they're not sure. That leads to them getting berated as well. If they mute a player berating them, more regs join in on giving the Admin shit for muting "a reg just trying to tell you how to play" and if you mute all you're hated by everyone. You then start having to ban people you incited, and you're on PB's shit list for the remainder of eternity. Any regular SA that does as you suggest is on PB's shit list, because they have messaged me and asked what to do and I have told them similar to what you're suggesting they do. It in turn makes a lot of PB regs hate them for punishing everyone/another reg and every time they get on its "Oh hey looks its x better watch out guys they don't know how to play and will punish you for it" or "nah that's x they don't know shit about how to admin, they won't do anything". The player-base themselves scare off the people they want to help them.

[Frostbitten]

This thread shifted from one topic to another real quick.

 

As far as the Admin Grace Period goes:

 

 

I believe this shouldn't be too much of a thing. Admin wannabes have to go through a process that has already been set in stone by the higher ups: 100 posts, 3 months, get to know the community and everyone in it, and optional requirements, such as recommendations from fellow admins. Putting too many requirements, such as the 6 month req you're asking for, is asking for too much, imo. We have lives. We're not robots. We're not going to follow your every request. As mentioned before in this thread, it's rare to even have an admin with such traits like "Constantly on the server". I believe that our requirements are good enough and that they shouldn't be touched.

 

 

Plus, if you're worried about SAs going off for too long, let the CA+ handle it. As a former CA myself, they know what they're doing and if they have reason to demote someone, then they'll do it. Otherwise, you're just complaining about things that are out of your power.

 

 

 

 

As for the JB situation:

 

 

Some people say JB is understaffed. Some people say JB is chaotic (I see mostly admins/former admins saying that). JB has its bad days, as well as its good days. For us admins, it may seem like more bad than good considering the fact that we wanna have fun while enforcing the rules.

 

Long story short: I see nothing to complain about as a JB admin, besides people throwing shade at me (but that's inevitable). I can see some things to complain about as a JB player, such as lack of admins or toxic playerbase (but, once again, that's inevitable and I won't touch too much on this. Maybe later.)

 

I've been on the server for long periods of time over this past week and I've been able to keep it under control for as long as I've been there. Sure, things get out of hand and people complain and whine, but I don't really care. My first priority is to help those who need help and do it in as best way as I can. If people want to argue about my decisions in regards of whether this guy needs a slay or if this guy needs a ban, I tell them that if they have a problem with how I handle things in there, they can easily make a complaint on me and we can see each other on the forums. I'm not going to call anyone out, but whoever's reading this, you know who you are.

 

ffs, I spend most of my time on JB since I have nothing to do at this moment in my life. I can't speak for the future, but I try my best to help out.

 

I don't think there should be a punishment NOR incentive for SAs to play JB. They are free to administrate whichever server they want and if you have a problem with that, then you're SOL. We have plenty of other admins if that one admin you're always calling for never comes. Hell, we even give you the option to place a Player Complaint on the forums so you can make a difference. I'm not saying that people depend too much on the staff to fix things, I'm saying that you guys don't see that there is a cornucopia of options out there that you guys can easily choose from.

 

Hopefully, this will all be sorted out soon.

[Kurohime]

The players harass them further with "What a shit admin just check the logs" or the next time something sketchy happens, "Nah admin won't do shit about freekills cause they don't know how to play" or what have you.

 

and this is why i only join servers undercover