[Rejected] Wardens

[All Ts]

Every type of Warden system has its issues and while the current way of doing things is kinda fucked we just have to deal with it. A lack of administration on PB is what most of the servers issues seriously boil down to sadly and there is not much you can do about it.

 

Random wardens ends up with CTs with no mics.

Queue warden system ends up with the same abusive fuck giving orders round after round.

Does a Warden system mean you can't listen to any other CT, if so think of the trade off & confusion involved.

The list honestly goes on.

 

If any of you actually find a warden plugin suggest it and I'm sure @Jake will take a look, but most of them come with serious downsides that corrupt the vanilla way we currently attempt to run the server.

 

On a side note the PB players need to start encouraging the more mature and dedicated players to speak out more often and apply for positions because as it stands it is seriously hurting the server.

[Zeni]

;859542']You should re-word it more carefully' date=' lol. You should never assume that an admin never take something seriously.

 

this sentence triggers me - you need to take grammar seriously

 

 

 

 

 

kidding.

 

But tbh wardens was just a little idea i had.

[Four]

Every type of Warden system has its issues and while the current way of doing things is kinda fucked we just have to deal with it. A lack of administration on PB is what most of the servers issues seriously boil down to sadly and there is not much you can do about it.

 

Random wardens ends up with CTs with no mics.

Queue warden system ends up with the same abusive fuck giving orders round after round.

Does a Warden system mean you can't listen to any other CT, if so think of the trade off & confusion involved.

The list honestly goes on.

 

If any of you actually find a warden plugin suggest it and I'm sure @Jake will take a look, but most of them come with serious downsides that corrupt the vanilla way we currently attempt to run the server.

 

On a side note the PB players need to start encouraging the more mature and dedicated players to speak out more often and apply for positions because as it stands it is seriously hurting the server.

 

I defiantly agree with you @All Ts, I would prefer if the warden system wouldn't be added to the server because honestly the list does go on and on but I'm trying to be optimistic for the reason being that most other JB servers have a Warden system. The fact that we are one of the few vanilla servers out there and the way our server is going it doesn't seem the server will get any better. Lately with all of the children mic spamming, giving free days constantly (which to be completely honest with you I dislike freedays) and conflicting of orders we need something to change if the amount of regular administrators isn't going to change anytime soon.

 

If the only issue you find with the random que being that the CT won't have a mic I am going to disagree that it might be something we could get used to having. We already come across with CTs wothout mics if they are last alive.

 

If any regular plays at night they know how cancerous the gameplay is when there are only a few players on. The rule breakers come out.

 

 

Sent from my Galactic Pad from Area 51

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I figured once I got home I'd make a more detailed response.

 

Firstly I want to just make a small list of the pros/cons with and without the warden system I suggested in place.

 

Warden System.

 

Pros

• No conflicted orders, the Ts will be able to listen to one CT at a time.
  
• No mic spamming of the CTs
  
• Reduced amount of freeshots due to the confusion of orders
  
• Admins will be able to monitor the server more thoroughly
  

 

Cons

• Non warden CTs may get upset and give orders anyway (Ways to avoid this)
  
• Warden could end up without a mic
  
• Once the warden dies the server may get a bit chaotic (Will improve over time with warden system added)
  

 

Without Warden System.

 

Pros

• CTs can freely give orders
  
• Vanilla server
  
• CTs won't argue about who is warden and complain about it being unfair
  
• CTs will have free reign over their jail
  

 

Cons

• Conflicting Orders
  
• Mic spam
  
• Freeshots due to Ts confused on orders
  

 

Overall that is just a few things I thought of on both sides of the argument. I haven't had much experience with a warden system in place so I may be speaking out of my boundaries about this but I have seen/been in a server with a Warden and it ran smoothly the few times I played there.

[Soviet]

I think warden system is a good idea as a warden system it will make our server very unique and provided a different experience then other servers can offer.

/s

[Chloe Gallagher]

;859542']You should re-word it more carefully' date=' lol. You should never assume that an admin never take something seriously.[/quote']

 

I never meant that they don't take their job seriously, because they do. Mic spamming has often been a pretty minor thing though.

[BlackWhite]

I am fine even if we have warden system but do you really think the mic spam and freekills would decrease in number? I don't think so.

 

Warden system does help admins and the prisoner to have one absolute order to follow, but then we would have to deal with people that don't know the rules or not issuing warning shots or giving vague orders so they can get kills. It is just a matter of attitude and playstyle for whoever playing CT.

[Jake]

Sorry I've been very busy lately with my new semester starting but I promise I will get a start on the overhaul of PB that was originally planned.

 

@All Ts summed much of my concerns up with this issue. I don't see myself ever adding a warden plugin into the server unless we make a rule that CTs have to have microphones. My reason for this is lets say a person gets warden who does not have a microphone and another CT decides that they would just take over the warden role. At this point it will cause just as much confusion as it is in the server now with people conflicting orders. I don't really see it getting rid of the conflicting orders at all.

 

 

When I have time I will be thinking about implementing rules that allow for players who constantly give conflicting orders to be temp muted/banned. Also, yes as of right now I know the names of some of the players that constantly do this, don't worry I'm working on it.

[SL4DE]

I'm not in charge of JB, but I believe the stance on JB is to keep it as "vanilla" as possible.

 

On one side, it seems like lately JB CT's have been either:

 

A. Quiet, and waiting for each other to give orders.

B. Constantly talking over each other and conflicting one another.

 

There are times where it's somewhere in the middle, and it works out. Coordination, and cooperation, that's the mettle a solid CT side is made of.

 

On the other side, how difficult is it to tell your team "Hey, shush, I'm giving orders"?

 

"BUT I WANT THEM TO PLAY SOC-"

 

"Alright, awesome, let me get the first few orders, then they're all yours"

 

If chaos ensues, calm the team down, and lead by example.

 

If you start screaming into the mic, arguing, and giving dumb orders, your team is going to do the same, and T's are going to complain. (Thus the "cancer" effect/stigma)

 

If you take turns, rationalize, and do your best to make it fun for everyone, everyone's going to have fun, and that is the point of the server.

 

As for a warden plugin, it's been suggested time and time again, not a bad idea, but I don't think it's going to happen.

 

But, you never know, SG changes constantly for the better, and that's what makes it great.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Of course I spend the last 15 minutes writing this up just to have Jake post before me. GG

[Halo]

Sorry I've been very busy lately with my new semester starting but I promise I will get a start on the overhaul of PB that was originally planned.

 

@All Ts summed much of my concerns up with this issue. I don't see myself ever adding a warden plugin into the server unless we make a rule that CTs have to have microphones. My reason for this is lets say a person gets warden who does not have a microphone and another CT decides that they would just take over the warden role. At this point it will cause just as much confusion as it is in the server now with people conflicting orders. I don't really see it getting rid of the conflicting orders at all.

 

 

When I have time I will be thinking about implementing rules that allow for players who constantly give conflicting orders to be temp muted/banned. Also, yes as of right now I know the names of some of the players that constantly do this, don't worry I'm working on it.

 

Maybe if someone without a mic get warden they could have a BIG RED NAME and the only CT that can talk in chat. Then they could still communicate with the T's and give orders.

[Chloe Gallagher]

I mentioned it earlier, because it is true, the only time we have an issue with conflicting orders is when you get 2 or more 10 year olds having a shouting match over who can give the loudest order. If we had admins on that muted, kicked or even banned those kids (not for long, maybe an hour or two), you would see the mic spam decrease big time.