Yet another frikkin' one way thread.

[Kurohime]

This isn't about any specific one-way but rather every single one-way as a whole.

 

Let's say a CT gets into an easy-to-reach one-way and then says "All Ts freeday no (area the 1way is at)":

All his CT buddies die because freeday, so he's last CT, so he can just instakill anyone entering the area. This is just a complete and total bullshit asshole move on the part of the CT and can EASILY be abused just to farm kills, along with ruining an entire round because one CT decided he didn't want to die.

 

I get that Freedays are for Ts to just do what the hell ever, but when 3/4 of the server typically rebels and tries to kill all of the CTs on a freeday, and they can't even fucking touch the last one because he's in a one-way, and the entire server is just forced to watch one person knife a soccer ball, one person bob his head in disco, and one person failing to bhop in main cell area, while the CT does nothing but watch the entrance to his protected area for 2 minutes, it kinda ruins the fun for a lot of people.

 

Maybe there should be some restriction like, "No camping one-ways as last CT" or some shit like that.

[BlackWhite]

This isn't about any specific one-way but rather every single one-way as a whole.

 

Let's say a CT gets into an easy-to-reach one-way and then says "All Ts freeday no (area the 1way is at)":

All his CT buddies die because freeday, so he's last CT, so he can just instakill anyone entering the area. This is just a complete and total bullshit asshole move on the part of the CT and can EASILY be abused just to farm kills, along with ruining an entire round because one CT decided he didn't want to die.

 

I get that Freedays are for Ts to just do what the hell ever, but when 3/4 of the server typically rebels and tries to kill all of the CTs on a freeday, and they can't even fucking touch the last one because he's in a one-way, and the entire server is just forced to watch one person knife a soccer ball, one person bob his head in disco, and one person failing to bhop in main cell area, while the CT does nothing but watch the entrance to his protected area for 2 minutes, it kinda ruins the fun for a lot of people.

 

Maybe there should be some restriction like, "No camping one-ways as last CT" or some shit like that.

freeday have this issues as well, someone camp secret and claiming they are enforcing the order because it's FREEDAY. Although usually i will slap them and tell them not to delay and go hunt the rebels.

[Goku]

If anything i would crack down more on freedays being overused and abused more than I would one ways. Rather than specifying that CTs can't camp one way, or last ct in this case, I would recommend relooking at the phrasing of camping being allowed in the rules and how free days come into play.

 

As it stands now, if you just say last ct can't camp a one way, then you just end up with that Ct camping a vent or somewhere else. As it also currently stands, the rules state that the last can camp as long as he does not delay. CTs in general can only camp if they are enforcing the orders and helping their team. Which is how you end up the order being "free day no soccer" and get CTs camping soccer. Or freeday and have the ct camp one way.

 

First step to fixing this I think would be to have the admins crack down more on CTs giving freedays. The rules state you can't repeat orders. So to get around that CTs will order freeday no soccer, then the next round order all Ts to pool, then turn around and freeday no pool, then all Ts to disco, then free day no past first cell and so on and on it goes. I think that the rule of no repeating orders needs to not be taken so literal anymore. If you manage to play 13 rounds on a map before it switches, 8-9 of those rounds should not be some variation of "freeday here/no here". The vast majority of maps nowadays have more options than pool, soccer and big cage. Start making the CTs use it. Take lego for example. If the order is disco, last ct, or any ct for that matter, can't camp the one way the entire round since orders aren't being enforced.

 

Second I would go about some way or another of specifying that if the order is freeday that the CT needs to be actively moving around and making sure Ts aren't rebelling in anyway such as walking on a catwalk or running around with a gun out. Using razor now as the example, if the order is freeday no soccer. The CTs shouldn't be camping just in soccer. They should instead be moving around and making sure the Ts aren't breaking into armory. On that same note, they shouldn't be camping the one way either. They should be checking pool to make sure no one managed to get a primary or that they aren't strolling around with the deagle out. They should be going into soccer to make sure the Ts aren't where they shouldn't be. Like I said, they should actively be moving and enforcing orders.

 

Which isn't to say camping should be flat out banned. If order is to be in big cage there's nothing wrong with a Ct chilling in the one way. On that same note if the order is pool and shit has hit the fan and a ct is camping in that one way and popping the rebels there's nothing wrong with that. But once things are under control, he should return to watching the rest of the Ts.

 

TL;DR- Reassess how camping in general is approached in the rules rather than specifying that last ct can't camp one ways. Reworking how "camping as long as they are enforcing the rules" is handled should overall be a help in many aspects. That paired with cracking down on the constant overuse of freedays should help the overall quality of the server.

[BlackWhite]

If anything i would crack down more on freedays being overused and abused more than I would one ways. Rather than specifying that CTs can't camp one way, or last ct in this case, I would recommend relooking at the phrasing of camping being allowed in the rules and how free days come into play.

 

As it stands now, if you just say last ct can't camp a one way, then you just end up with that Ct camping a vent or somewhere else. As it also currently stands, the rules state that the last can camp as long as he does not delay. CTs in general can only camp if they are enforcing the orders and helping their team. Which is how you end up the order being "free day no soccer" and get CTs camping soccer. Or freeday and have the ct camp one way.

 

First step to fixing this I think would be to have the admins crack down more on CTs giving freedays. The rules state you can't repeat orders. So to get around that CTs will order freeday no soccer, then the next round order all Ts to pool, then turn around and freeday no pool, then all Ts to disco, then free day no past first cell and so on and on it goes. I think that the rule of no repeating orders needs to not be taken so literal anymore. If you manage to play 13 rounds on a map before it switches, 8-9 of those rounds should not be some variation of "freeday here/no here". The vast majority of maps nowadays have more options than pool, soccer and big cage. Start making the CTs use it. Take lego for example. If the order is disco, last ct, or any ct for that matter, can't camp the one way the entire round since orders aren't being enforced.

 

Second I would go about some way or another of specifying that if the order is freeday that the CT needs to be actively moving around and making sure Ts aren't rebelling in anyway such as walking on a catwalk or running around with a gun out. Using razor now as the example, if the order is freeday no soccer. The CTs shouldn't be camping just in soccer. They should instead be moving around and making sure the Ts aren't breaking into armory. On that same note, they shouldn't be camping the one way either. They should be checking pool to make sure no one managed to get a primary or that they aren't strolling around with the deagle out. They should be going into soccer to make sure the Ts aren't where they shouldn't be. Like I said, they should actively be moving and enforcing orders.

 

Which isn't to say camping should be flat out banned. If order is to be in big cage there's nothing wrong with a Ct chilling in the one way. On that same note if the order is pool and shit has hit the fan and a ct is camping in that one way and popping the rebels there's nothing wrong with that. But once things are under control, he should return to watching the rest of the Ts.

 

TL;DR- Reassess how camping in general is approached in the rules rather than specifying that last ct can't camp one ways. Reworking how "camping as long as they are enforcing the rules" is handled should overall be a help in many aspects. That paired with cracking down on the constant overuse of free days should help the overall quality of the server.

I did what you have said. Get yelled as instead. "it's not in the rules" or "yesterday wasn't freeday so it's allowed" or "I don't care. Order was no soccer/pool/disco. so i am here"

[Kurohime]

I did what you have said. Get yelled as instead. "it's not in the rules" or "yesterday wasn't freeday so it's allowed" or "I don't care. Order was no soccer/pool/disco. so i am here"

 

You're an admin my dude, tell them that if they don't like it they can bring it up to Slade, Jake, or Caution.

There are so many "Sorta in the rules but not really" that it's up to the admin's discretion for the most part.

[BlackWhite]

You're an admin my dude, tell them that if they don't like it they can bring it up to Slade, Jake, or Caution.

There are so many "Sorta in the rules but not really" that it's up to the admin's discretion for the most part.

I did lol, they still whine.

[All Ts]

I've never seen this done for kills too often to be honest except NRX (sometimes lego) because the map was so fucking easy to enter the one-way when it was still there ( @Stunningjam for HG). I just find the concept itself of a one-way as incredibly unfair & game breaking regardless of how the CTs use them they are able to be abused & therefore should just be blanket removed.

 

Last CT can camp as long as he wants, but he cannot delay the round. In this case I think that a single CT, sitting in a one way, per se telling everyone no main cell is massively delaying as they could 100% tell people other orders. They know well & good it's going to take them another 3:00 to kill the 9 prisoners alive from the one-way and consciously decide to pick the easy, long, kill hungry order.

 

Admins should just punish this at discretion and CTs that continuously repeat these orders should be dealt with accordingly (slay, kick, ban, player complaints blah blah). If any admin is on this isn't really an issue, it's just about the player base reporting repeat offenders because those fucks actually ruin the fun on the server & completely kill the vibe.

 

tldr; its against the rules & admins can punish it at their own discretion

[Elemental]

Maybe there should be some restriction like, "No camping one-ways as last CT" or some shit like that.

 

Isn't "No camping as last CT" already a rule?

[frosty]

Isn't "No camping as last CT" already a rule?

 

Last CT can camp, as long as he is not delaying.

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[Caution]

That sounds pretty much exactly like delaying a round.

 

We, as admins, don't need to be douchebags and expect that the second a CT is by himself he should run out into the open...but sitting in an area that no one else can really get to if other people aren't rebelling is delaying. Now - if there are T's rebelling and actively shooting at him, one way or not, he's not delaying by camping up there until the threat is gone or he is dead. But if he's sitting in there while the only T left alive is knifing a soccer ball...then yeah, that's delaying.

 

There are so many "Sorta in the rules but not really" that it's up to the admin's discretion for the most part.

 

I encourage admins to tread extremely lightly if you choose to follow this advice. For the most part, we will not tolerate admins making up rules to serve their own agenda. "Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" does not apply in this situation at all.