[Rejected] idea to make most sg servers better

[roux]

We can analyze the reasons for staff number being low/activity being low but the most effective solution will always be to get more quality admins. The idea presented in the OP is something that I don't think is a good idea currently. If we aren't going to trust someone with SA, I don't want to trust them with almost any of the admin commands.

 

Something important to understand is that this place is a community run pretty much on peoples ambitions and passion. At the end of the day the community is held up by people who aren't paid dick and just really want to help for one reason or another. My point is if there isn't enough admins then you guys have the power to change that by applying yourselves, or encouraging others to apply. You can do way more than that for the community but those 2 basic things have a pretty big impact. If anyone has suggestions that we haven't tried or are worth revisiting I'm sure we will look into it.

 

Lastly, I'm a million more times likely to come to a server if it's posted in shoutbox or if someone physically Steam PM'd me. The call admin plugin has a lot of bullshit reports that I can't be bothered to delve into sometimes. If there is a serious thing that you need I encourage any of you guys to add me and private message me.

 

Makes a lot of sense.

 

 

I'd also like to add something you said about the calladmin plugin.

 

I've had my doubts regarding the plugin. I've myself had to stop many players from using !calladmin for a simple misunderstanding. The average player was not present during the community meeting last sunday and does not know when/how to use it, which is normal. Would it be a good idea to "whitelist" some regulars/all regulars to give them a certain priority for that type of call? Again, I don't know how the plugin works since it wasn't a thing back then. Could subs/VIP/regs have some kind of importance there?

 

 

I'd also like to remind SAs and every staff member that they do not need to feel bad about those situations. Every single one of us has a life outside of SG. I hope everyone understands this and works toward a solution which keeps that fact in mind. I also remember being drunk at a party at 1am and being texted via steam that jailbreak needed an admin, and I couldn't go. It is normal to not have staff on at all time.

[Charliere]

The thing is, similar to what Gator said, even if we had this position its difficult to have at least one admin on at all hours of the day. Even though we have admins in different timezones, who are awake at different hours, there are still going to be points in the day when no one is on. Even getting more admins won't change this. We can't make admins get on in the wee hours of morning just to ban someone.

I have the most luck either messaging an admin or saying we need one on the shoutbox. The calladmin thing isn't always going to work.

Imo, I feel like we should have more people who are willing to post player complaints about the sort of people you are speaking of, some of the time that takes care of the rulebreakers more quickly than trying to find an admin.

[Kicks]

 

 

I'd also like to add something you said about the calladmin plugin.

 

I've had my doubts regarding the plugin. I've myself had to stop many players from using !calladmin for a simple misunderstanding. The average player was not present during the community meeting last sunday and does not know when/how to use it, which is normal. Would it be a good idea to "whitelist" some regulars/all regulars to give them a certain priority for that type of call? Again, I don't know how the plugin works since it wasn't a thing back then. Could subs/VIP/regs have some kind of importance there?

 

I think that's a pretty good idea. I also believe that it shouldn't be as advertised as it is right now. Its pretty common to see someone who is very unsure of the rules to see that there is a calladmin command and type it in chat when they feel that they were RDM'd when in reality they were fairly killed one way or another.

 

I can already tell that most admins don't respond to a calladmin requests. If we only allow people who have a firm understanding of the rules to have access to the calladmim command then they'll be able to have higher quality reports that admins will actually respond to.

 

 

 

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[roux]

I think that's a pretty good idea. I also believe that it shouldn't be as advertised as it is right now. Its pretty common to see someone who is very unsure of the rules to see that there is a calladmin command and type it in chat when they feel that they were RDM'd when in reality they were fairly killed one way or another.

 

I can already tell that most admins don't respond to a calladmin requests. If we only allow people who have a firm understanding of the rules to have access to the calladmim command then they'll be able to have higher quality reports that admins will actually respond to.

 

 

Exactly, and it could solve a part of our problem here. Having an unreliable system isn't better than having none, it's even a bother/source of frustration. It's not a perfect fix, nothing is, but it's something we could think of. An opt-in program on the forums maybe, AOs/CAs approving them, server specific or not.

[ThRza]

Wouldn't mind trying this, however not sure what the requirements would be, and it would probably just be better to apply for admin instead if you feel that there are too many rulebreakers and not enough admins. But still, all for giving this a shot again.

[beanie dog]

Just go for the admin application. We need admins who we follow the rules, who show true respect, who we can trust.

[John]

if someone gets on the servers just to troll/rdm and they find out that the only guy with power on the server can only gag, mute, and slay, then they're going to troll even more. idk about you guys but i'd for sure pick on the guy who cant even kick me if i got on to troll. just call an admin via shoutbox or apply.

[Paralyzed]

This is actually something that we tried a few years ago. They used the tag [sG-A]. They had limited capabilities like you mentioned and were used as a way of vetting potential full admin.

 

I don't think we have a need for a similar position as it's easy enough to get admin if you dedicate a little bit of time. I would suggest befriending some admins so that you can message them to join the servers. It's not very realistic to expect an admin on every server at every hour, so this is one way you can get a quick response to rulebreakers.

 

This pretty much answers everything.