[Feedback] How do you feel about having 2 Razors?

[All Ts]

Currently we have 2 Razor maps, both revamp_f1 made by @Kirby, and the older razor that was ported to CS:GO. Recently I've heard quite a lot of people complaining about this, as they believe it gets repetitive and factually 25-50% of the server time weekly is spent on those two maps combined. Instead of making a map fix request, or removal request straight up- I'd like to hear what you guys think about this.

 

This is what it boils down to (and if you could answer in this format it'd be useful):

 

Do you want to see one removed, if so why?:

 

If so, which one (if not leave blank)?:

 

If you could see fixes to the newer revamp or the older map what would it be?:

[All Ts]

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[Karma]

I'll be the one to post on this since no one else has. I personally think that having two of the same map is kind of pointless. The only big difference that I see in the two maps are the newer models on the revamp. They make the map a little more difficult to run but also add a lot nicer look to the map. I see a lot bigger liking in the newer map based on frequency it is voted. Yet they are a lot of the time played back to back.

 

If I had to pick between the two maps I would have to say remove the original. There are frequently more problems with ported maps although I haven't seen them with this port.

[Dominic]

Do you want to see one removed, if so why?: I'd like one of them removed just because I feel the way they both play isn't very different where as with the original razor and vipinthemix it's very different with completely different rooms and secrets that completely change things. Kirby's has changed a few things and looks a bit nicer, but is still very alike.

 

If so, which one (if not leave blank)?: I'd like to see the original razor removed because Kirby's map just looks much nicer and a little less bland. I like the removal of the half one way window and how it was turned completely visible because I think CTs are a bit more encouraged to choose different spots to play at. I also like the removal of kitchen in place of disco because I think people like disco much more. I really don't know what the reaction to the original razor's removal will be from the community though, I think they'll be pretty against it unfortunately.

 

If you could see fixes to the newer revamp or the older map what would it be?: I don't think the older map needs any fixes and the revamp is just an upgrade, so I'd say I personally wouldn't want either of them touched.

[delirium]

FWIW I'd rather remove the new one, but, if you guys would like to get rid of the old one I won't stop you.

[All Ts]

Just to post my opinion.

 

I want to get the new one fixed, or remove it. If we get it fixed properly I'd like to see the old one removed.

[Casual]

Do you want to see one removed, if so why?: Not really. Even though it's pointless it usually brings the population up when we are one either of those maps. However I'll still post to remove one.

 

If so, which one (if not leave blank)?: Revamp. We've pretty much agreed in multiple forum posts that our server like simple maps. Even though revamp is an "upgrade" of razor I don't feel like it is. Seems like people gravitate towards the old razor before revamp because we've had it for so long. It's been a pivotal part of our map rotations that we usually cycle through and it could possibly damage our population even more than how low our count is getting. I personally favor razor, but if the regular jb players want revamp over it, I'll be fine.

 

If you could see fixes to the newer revamp or the older map what would it be?:Main complaints of razor is the one way obviously. Honestly the one way isn't as op as people see it to be. If you actually look you can see through it and with a scope you can see the players pretty clearly. Removal or modification to the one way could be a thing. Also maybe it's just me, but soccer on razor seems too dark(Revamp did fix this, but I still like the color scheme on the old one). There are 2 corners on top of soccer on the walkway that are extremely dark making it almost impossible for people to be noticed unless they shoot at you. One side could see making it brighter would be to give an equal playing field, while it could also be seen as an advantage point for Ts(I use it all the time). Going off of revamp the p250 you get when you tele to soccer in my opinion is a little overpowered, possibly replace it with a usps instead.

 

 

Revamp Fixes: Pretty much just razor.

- Make it so vent from main cell to vip and vip to showers can be accessed by just jumping through not having to crouch into it. (Gives CTs a huge advantage when it takes you 3 seconds to get through)

- Remove usps in cells and replace with glocks. -little bit more balanced it is way too op to have 2 usps-

- Adjust vent in pool so you don't have to crouch to get the scout. In Jailbreak speed is a pretty big thing and crouching to get the scout makes it harder for ts to get a jump on the cts

- Also adjust vent under one way. If you open iso and go there Cts have just enough time to catch you crouching in there.

- Remove the machine next to the car in soccer garage. Doesn't let you jump on it unless you get right on top of it and it blocks all shots while also having some boundary that extends to the side of it also blocking shooting (Could be a little confusing I'd have to show you)

- There is a pistol hidden on razor in big cage to the right of the box used to get under big cage. Possibly could brainstorm another location to hide a pistol to give an advantage to Ts, but idk.

Again these changes are literally razor so I'd see why they would be denied.

It could kind of ease people into the map if we remove one.

[Venom™]

I would just keep the two of them they are both good maps

[Raventi]

Do you want to see one removed, if so why?: I personally would like to keep both. But if i had to choose I would want to remove the newer one. Razor has been a part of pb since css days and it has a special place in my heart and I'm sure other people as well. I would hate to see it removed.

 

If so, which one (if not leave blank)?: Revamped

 

If you could see fixes to the newer revamp or the older map what would it be?: Nothing really, ive grown accustomed to each of the maps own uniqueness, I don't really find any problems with either of the maps.

[Bernard.]

Do you want to see one removed, if so why?: Nope, I like both maps

 

If so, which one (if not leave blank)?: If I had to choose, it would be revamp, kinda too bright

 

If you could see fixes to the newer revamp or the older map what would it be?:

Old - Maybe make the one way more visible if possible to prevent camping... that's about it

New - Too bright, disco is too dark, and I don't know if this was intended but the vending machine teleports to either vents or disco