[Rejected] Server Specific Admins

[Kicks]

I made a post on the thread named "how to make jailbreak better" https://www.steam-gamers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=80074&page=2 and one of my ideas was to have server specific admins. As of now, if you apply for admin and get accepted you are given admin powers to all of SG's servers. With this suggestion I would like to see server specific applications. What I mean by this is that you would send an application for a specific server, and not all of SG's servers. So if you really like jailbreak, and are interested in admining jailbreak you would send a specific application for jailbreak. If you like ttt and jb, and believe the regulars have put a lot of trust in you to enforce the proper rules,you would send an application to both servers.

 

This would help applicants that aren't interested in playing other servers, I've seen it happen a lot where people would get reapplied or abstained because they mainly play one server and have no interest in other servers. I remember when this happened with a lot of ze applicants and that ttt/jb mains would write 1 sentence posts stating the obvious "haven't seen you before on ___, abstain".

 

This would also stop admins that come on a server that they know very little about and spreading false rules/misusing powers. I'm sure many ttt/jb admins have come on ze before and perma-muted a guy on accident.

[Karma]

I don't like this idea personally. Not only would this cause confusion with the regs in the community i.e. calling admins onto a server to deal with rule breakers, but it also would limit what an admin could do when there are rule breakers. Having an admin that would only have powers on a specific server(s) would make it even more difficult to deal with rule breakers. Not having the power to deal with a rule breaker but have people yelling at you telling you to do something.

 

 

I've seen it happen a lot where people would get reapplied or abstained because they mainly play one server and have no interest in other servers. I remember when this happened with a lot of ze applicants and that ttt/jb mains would write 1 sentence posts stating the obvious "haven't seen you before on ___, abstain".

When someone abstains an app it does not count as a vote, if they do reapply because of a reason as such it usually gets deleted. But applying for admin is about being active or well known it the community. Limiting it to rely on a specific servers population to vote would only lessen the votes on a players application.

[Kicks]

I don't like this idea personally. Not only would this course confusion with the regs in the community i.e. calling admins onto a server to deal with rule breakers, but it also would limit what an admin could do when there are rule breakers. Having an admin that would only have powers on a specific server(s) would make it even more difficult to deal with rule breakers. Not having the power to deal with a rule breaker but have people yelling at you telling you to do something.

 

Someone that doesn't have powers wouldn't be considered an admin on the server, they would be considered a regular. Calladmins would ideally have different sections, such as "JB CALLADMIN" "TTT CALLADMIN" etc and they would go into the proper discord channel.

[Karma]

Someone that doesn't have powers wouldn't be considered an admin on the server, they would be considered a regular. Calladmins would ideally have different sections, such as "JB CALLADMIN" "TTT CALLADMIN" etc and they would go into the proper discord channel.

 

At the moment call admin is confusing enough, but making new ranks to show who gets notifications for what servers would be a lot of work, and cause a lot of confusion. On top of that changing ranking on the forums and servers, (after we just have) to accommodate for those who apply for a specific admin role. If a player applies for admin it should be based of of how they act, how they deal with situations, and whether or not they would be a good admin. For a player to be good at one thing or liked by a certain community should not give them the right to bypass the other rules/requirements of admin.

[Kicks]

If a player applies for admin it should be based of of how they act, how they deal with situations, and whether or not they would be a good admin. For a player to be good at one thing or liked by a certain community should not give them the right to bypass the other rules/requirements of admin.

 

You are absolutely correct, players are given admin because of what you just said, but someone that applies for admin that mostly plays ttt shouldn't have access to admin on ze of jb, and I never mentioned "bypassing rules/requirements", I do believe 100 posts is a bit too much, but that is another issue.

 

On top of that changing ranking on the forums and servers, (after we just have) to accommodate for those who apply for a specific admin role.

 

If we're giving specific roles to people who want to be apart of the media team, but don't want to be admin, why should we not give those specific powers to someone who only wants to become an admin on a specific server, that doesn't make sense to me. Why should someone that is only interested in becoming apart of the ttt adminstration team also have powers on all the other servers. It's sorta like how the higher ups came up with 5 different teams to be apart of that don't require you to be an admin, why are we giving specific roles in one aspect of the forums but not the other?

[Cept For Her]

This would help applicants that aren't interested in playing other servers, I've seen it happen a lot where people would get reapplied or abstained because they mainly play one server and have no interest in other servers. I remember when this happened with a lot of ze applicants and that ttt/jb mains would write 1 sentence posts stating the obvious "haven't seen you before on ___, abstain".

 

This would also stop admins that come on a server that they know very little about and spreading false rules/misusing powers. I'm sure many ttt/jb admins have come on ze before and perma-muted a guy on accident.

 

Already said this is a bad idea, but let me sum up my reasons.

 

1) What you stated in the quote above is that people write ABSTAIN or REAPPLY because they dont see the applicant on the servers. This is just saying, he I havent seen you ever, maybe you should try to branch out a bit more and talk to the rest of the community other than this one server. Charizard applied for admin when he had ONLY ever played ZE at the time, but went in TS and talked to people a bit. Not only was he approved as an admin, but he got all SUPPORTS, even from players that rarely played on ZE.

 

2)As ive said before, this would make it more difficult for people to administrate different servers. Basically they would have to apply on EVERY SERVER, and it would just cause problems if they had admin on one and not on another, causing more technical problems for the TAs to figure out, and making it just more of a hassle.

 

3) As Karma said, it would cause problems with the CallAdmin feature/getting an admin on a server. Someone would know that a person is an admin on the one server, and would call them on another server that they cant administrate. This is spreading our admin group too thin amongst the already small amount of admins we have right now. Yes people dont know ALL of the rules for the servers, but they have enough understanding of the basic rules, and some of the ones that are "made up" are a confusion by the whole community having different view points.

 

4) How would people be promoted to Senior Admin? If they apply for Admin on a specific server, they would have to know all of the server in order to get promoted to Senior Admin, or Community Advisor, or anything of that sorts since they have powers on every server. The way admin apps are set up right now is pretty fine IMO because it forces the applicants to be active in the whole community, and be involved in discussions outside of CSGO like in TS or on the forums.

 

Edit: The specific roles of the TEAMS are so that we dont have the same kind of vertical hierarchy that we had in the past where you had to be CA to get AO and BD and so on and so forth. It makes sense to give people admin on every server, because while there are server specific rules they may not know, there are still the community wide rules that they can easily enforce such as racism and micspam. Any admin would be able to respond to these calls and know exactly what to do, and it helps when they are on when nobody else can make it. I remember a while back where I was the only admin on a 40 player ZE server, and there were calladmins coming from TTT and JB, and I was able to leave and calm down those situations real quickly and go back to monitoring ZE. It also encourages admins to go on other servers, because they have a reason to play and learn the rules of these different servers and get more involved in the community

[Bdcoll]

I don't really see a single positive from doing this, only downsides.

 

Limiting admins to only having powers on certain servers strips away the ability to respond to abusers on other servers significantly. Whilst i mostly play TTT, i'm often called into JB to deal with abusers, and occasionally onto ZE or Scrim, neither server i have much interest in playing much right now, but without having my admin powers on them I wouldn't have been able to do anything to help out!

 

I'll quite happily admit. I'm not fully up to date on all the rules etc. that are in place on servers like ZE and Scrim. I do however know the normality of rules that take place on all SG servers, and will quite happily enforce them. If it comes to a server specific command etc. i'm just going to ask another admin for clarification, or simply not use the command.

 

Having separate groups for different call admin commands would also limit the number of people that would respond to any need for an admin.

[Kicks]

Already said this is a bad idea, but let me sum up my reasons.

 

1) What you stated in the quote above is that people write ABSTAIN or REAPPLY because they dont see the applicant on the servers. This is just saying, he I havent seen you ever, maybe you should try to branch out a bit more and talk to the rest of the community other than this one server. Charizard applied for admin when he had ONLY ever played ZE at the time, but went in TS and talked to people a bit. Not only was he approved as an admin, but he got all SUPPORTS, even from players that rarely played on

 

Charizard is one of the few applicants that has ever had that happened to them. This is a very rare case, most of the time applicants are required to branch out even if they don't want to, and most of the time people avoid applying because of this.

 

2)As ive said before, this would make it more difficult for people to administrate different servers. Basically they would have to apply on EVERY SERVER, and it would just cause problems if they had admin on one and not on another, causing more technical problems for the TAs to figure out, and making it just more of a hassle.

 

Have the people that maintain the server hand out powers? I don't believe it is as difficult as you say it is, maybe I'm wrong but even if so we have a load of AOs and I'm sure they wouldn't mind helping out.

 

3) As Karma said, it would cause problems with the CallAdmin feature/getting an admin on a server. Someone would know that a person is an admin on the one server, and would call them on another server that they cant administrate. This is spreading our admin group too thin amongst the already small amount of admins we have right now. Yes people dont know ALL of the rules for the servers, but they have enough understanding of the basic rules, and some of the ones that are "made up" are a confusion by the whole community having different view points.

 

All you would have to do is set up people in different calladmin logs on discord, it isn't as difficult as you're making it out to be, and we'd be getting more people willing to apply if we seperated the powers, wouldn't we? If someone that is admining JB and wants to get TTT admin, then they would simply apply, it just doesn't make sense that the current system allows someone who plays and admins ZE to also have powers in servers that they don't even play.

 

4) How would people be promoted to Senior Admin? If they apply for Admin on a specific server, they would have to know all of the server in order to get promoted to Senior Admin, or Community Advisor, or anything of that sorts since they have powers on every server. The way admin apps are set up right now is pretty fine IMO because it forces the applicants to be active in the whole community, and be involved in discussions outside of CSGO like in TS or on the forums.

 

Senior admins and CAs would apply like they normally do? If someone wants to help out the community as a CA of JB and handle JB player complaints then this system would allow it to do so without so much need from the community.

[Kicks]

I don't really see a single positive from doing this, only downsides.

 

Limiting admins to only having powers on certain servers strips away the ability to respond to abusers on other servers significantly. Whilst i mostly play TTT, i'm often called into JB to deal with abusers, and occasionally onto ZE or Scrim, neither server i have much interest in playing much right now, but without having my admin powers on them I wouldn't have been able to do anything to help out!

 

If you enjoyed admining a server so much then you would just apply for it? Also I'm mostly referring to the big 3 servers; ze,ttt,jb when talking about seperating server admins.

 

 

Maybe you all feel that I'm trying to take away power of the current administration power, but that is not my intention. My intention of this post is to expand the number of admins on specific servers, and to have admins sticking to a server that they are able to enforce the rules on. It seems that the bar to become an admin is seemingly too high when all you want to do is make sure rules aren't being broken on the servers, but don't want to be involved in other servers. A lot of big communities do this as well since they know that people are only interested in a specific server, and don't want people going on other gamemodes to potentially ruin a player's time.

 

I should also mention that admins are always available on the bigger servers that I'm referring too and it seems that they are able to have a fair bit of success.

[Bdcoll]

You've missed my point i'm afraid. I was asked to come to a server, i don't play on, to help with an admin situation. I was able to do this as I had admin on all servers. With your proposed method, to deal with a trouble maker on ZE, I'd have to come to the forums, make an application, wait a week or two for a answer, then hopefully have admin to deal with it. As you can see, thats rather unusable.

 

Its all well and good saying you want to promote people from the smaller servers to join up as an admin, and we should all want that tbh, but this isn't the way to do it. It will only cripple the current admin staff, rendering them all but useless on some SG servers, stir up problems as people won't know who has admin, on what server etc.

 

It would also put a significant workload on the unfortunate admins who have ZE or MG admin. They will be forced into playing on those servers, even if they don't want to, purely because they are some of the few with power on that server. We'd end up with 20 admins, 17 who would have TTT and JB, 2 ZE, 1 MG. Most of whom wouldn't have much intrest in getting powers on the other servers, leaving them without proper cover at all.

 

 

 

 

Probably the better solution to get more people from various servers to apply for admin on all SG servers, would be to drop the post requirement down to 50, allow for personal experiences with players in admin apps to count for more than "Not seen you on this server, so Abstain" posts, allow ex-admins easier access to getting admin back if they have stepped down/retired in the past, and to work with the AO/CA team in identifying players on those servers who should have it, and approaching them about fast tracking an admin application through, instead of the sometimes tedious application process.