[Rejected] Server Specific Admins

[Karma]

Have the people that maintain the server hand out powers? I don't believe it is as difficult as you say it is, maybe I'm wrong but even if so we have a load of AOs and I'm sure they wouldn't mind helping out.

 

I very much doubt this, as it stands AO's have a lot on there plate. They have to deal with their servers and constantly fix bugs or update the servers. Adding another not needed task to the list wouldn't help their situation as is.

 

 

All you would have to do is set up people in different calladmin logs on discord, it isn't as difficult as you're making it out to be, and we'd be getting more people willing to apply if we seperated the powers, wouldn't we? If someone that is admining JB and wants to get TTT admin, then they would simply apply, it just doesn't make sense that the current system allows someone who plays and admins ZE to also have powers in servers that they don't even play.

 

It is not making the channels that would be the problem, it is setting up different ranks for each server, getting 1 bot to @ different groups in different chat channels. Not something that higher-ups want to deal with, on top of that, constantly fixing bugs and updating the bot as things go wrong.

 

 

Senior admins and CAs would apply like they normally do? If someone wants to help out the community as a CA of JB and handle JB player complaints then this system would allow it to do so without so much need from the community.

 

This would be horrible to have to do, making even more categories then there already are, and on top of that, doing it to every different rank. I don't even think the BD's would attempt this, and if they did it would be more confusing and challenging then the rank system change we are going through at the moment.

[tides]

Everyone here seems to think that you are confined to only admin 1 server.. The point would be to simply add admins who only plan on playing one of the servers. Didn't realize having extra hands was a downside.

[tides]

It is not making the channels that would be the problem, it is setting up different ranks for each server, getting 1 bot to @ different groups in different chat channels. Not something that higher-ups want to deal with, on top of that, constantly fixing bugs and updating the bot as things go wrong.

 

Is there not one call admin bot added across all the servers? All you have to do is add a different bot linked to a different channel for each of the servers.

[Kicks]

I very much doubt this, as it stands AO's have a lot on there plate. They have to deal with their servers and constantly fix bugs or update the servers. Adding another not needed task to the list wouldn't help their situation as is.

 

 

 

It is not making the channels that would be the problem, it is setting up different ranks for each server, getting 1 bot to @ different groups in different chat channels. Not something that higher-ups want to deal with, on top of that, constantly fixing bugs and updating the bot as things go wrong.

 

 

BDs already do this, this seems like a non-issue if anything, I’m sure the people who applied to do extra work are willing to do something like this, if not I’ll fucking do it.

 

 

This would be horrible to have to do, making even more categories then there already are, and on top of that, doing it to every different rank. I don't even think the BD's would attempt this, and if they did it would be more confusing and challenging then the rank system change we are going through at the moment.

 

 

There would be no extra catalogues? You just apply like for higher positions like how it’s been done already? Don’t understand why you consistently bring up things that aren’t even issues and refuse to look at what good this can do.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Cept For Her]

@Kicks I think that its obvious that if you have to continuously struggle to explain your thoughts, then you are not doing them well. If youre going to suggest something, please just make one BIG post explaining how EVERY change would work and how it would incorporate into the EXISTING system.

 

Senior admins and CAs would apply like they normally do? If someone wants to help out the community as a CA of JB and handle JB player complaints then this system would allow it to do so without so much need from the community.

 

This is the different categories categories @--Karma-- was talking about having to add. There would have to be a JB, TTT, ZE, etc. sub-categories for admin categories already made such as SA, A, CA, AO, etc.

 

Basically just please stop arguing about this, youve made your point on how you feel about it, this isnt an argument thread, its a suggestion, and people are just giving their opinions on the matter. There is no reason to respond to EVERY person that has an opposite view of yours. Please just let the higher ups read/review the suggestion and everybody's thoughts on the matter, and if you are going to respond to someone, could you please explain yourself more than just putting questions and making it seem as if we are dumb to not think like you. Thanks pal

[Kicks]

@Kicks I think that its obvious that if you have to continuously struggle to explain your thoughts, then you are not doing them well. If youre going to suggest something, please just make one BIG post explaining how EVERY change would work and how it would incorporate into the EXISTING system.

 

 

 

This is the different categories categories @--Karma-- was talking about having to add. There would have to be a JB, TTT, ZE, etc. sub-categories for admin categories already made such as SA, A, CA, AO, etc.

 

Basically just please stop arguing about this, youve made your point on how you feel about it, this isnt an argument thread, its a suggestion, and people are just giving their opinions on the matter. There is no reason to respond to EVERY person that has an opposite view of yours. Please just let the higher ups read/review the suggestion and everybody's thoughts on the matter, and if you are going to respond to someone, could you please explain yourself more than just putting questions and making it seem as if we are dumb to not think like you. Thanks pal

 

Sorry man, didn’t mean to offend anyone, nor did I mean to belittle anyone. I’ll try and it give it a shot as to how I would think it would be done.

 

If you wanted to apply for a position as an admin on jailbreak, then you would apply like you normally would and would name it something along the lines of “Cept’s JB Admin Application”, once you’re an admin and have access to the admin section, you would apply for higher ranks like you normally would it’d be something along the lines of “Cept’s SA(Senior Admin) JB Application. The way you apply for admin would remain the same, but you would just have to apply for specific servers.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[LargeAll]

Other communities have the admin for only one server thing, and from what I've seen, they have very poor unity. One community had a split between ze/ttt/warcraft where admins had no reason to go to the other gamemodes and just play on their own gamemode. It got so bad that the ze section of the community almost split from the rest of the community. In SG I see almost all admins play more than one gamemode and admin normally. If we encourage gamemode-specific admins, I fear the servers may go into their own little bubbles.

[tides]

You've done the same yo, but if Kicks failed to lay it out for you, i'll make it nice and easy.

 

I've heard recently that we have a lot of higher ups that are mobbed with work and things to do on the forums. I've also heard a lot of complaints from regs AND administrators that there are not enough admins to handle the servers. To fix this problem we could simply open up single server admin applications; This category would be a sub-division of the current admin category and would simply encourage people to apply for admin even though they are only playing one server.

 

Many people become discouraged from applying because of the 100 post count on the forums or the need to spread out to different servers. Activity in my opinion is much more important than shit posting on the forums and an in-depth knowledge of the rules more important than playtime on multiple servers. With a dropped required post count players could apply to admin a server, to admin 1 singular server; none of the forum, popularity bs needed. Obviously it is important to keep up with the forums and see whats happening with your server, but the main focus of these "admins" would be to enforce the rules of the servers and make it more fun for all of the players.

 

To sum it all up, this would basically take some of the more popular, level headed regs and gives them the ability to enforce the servers they already play on everyday.

 

The application process would be open to interpretation and I would love to hear CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.

[eden]

I'll throw in my thoughts as it wouldn't hurt to get another opinion on this. The overarching problem I have with this suggestion is how you're indirectly separating the communities. I think people need to step back and look at the big picture and that is what steam-gamers means to all of us. In the end we're a community/family thats working towards a common goal of trying to make servers that are enjoyable for everyone. Taken directly from admin application faqs what it means to be an admin "Being an admin is simply being able to keep our servers free of rule breakers and griefers". This being said if your intent is to only be an admin for a specific server, you're missing the big picture. If you're gonna apply to be an admin that means knowing the rules and regulations on ALL servers whether you like it or not. If you really cared about the servers reading up on rules and taking a little bit of extra time to know the other servers should be a cake walk. Which leads me to my next point.

 

If we were to do specific only admins that would make it way to easy for players to become admins. I think its important that these newer regulars that want to become admin work for what they want and honestly were not asking for much. Learning some extra rules for other servers and getting the hang of other game modes is really not that difficult. What I may say might sound harsh but, if your intent was to only stay on one server and admin only a single server I don't think you're cut out to be an admin to begin with. Know what you sign up for and being an admin means being able to handle multiple responsibilities.

[roux]

I'll throw in my thoughts as it wouldn't hurt to get another opinion on this. The overarching problem I have with this suggestion is how you're indirectly separating the communities. I think people need to step back and look at the big picture and that is what steam-gamers means to all of us. In the end we're a community/family thats working towards a common goal of trying to make servers that are enjoyable for everyone. Taken directly from admin application faqs what it means to be an admin "Being an admin is simply being able to keep our servers free of rule breakers and griefers". This being said if your intent is to only be an admin for a specific server, you're missing the big picture. If you're gonna apply to be an admin that means knowing the rules and regulations on ALL servers whether you like it or not. If you really cared about the servers reading up on rules and taking a little bit of extra time to know the other servers should be a cake walk. Which leads me to my next point.

 

If we were to do specific only admins that would make it way to easy for players to become admins. I think its important that these newer regulars that want to become admin work for what they want and honestly were not asking for much. Learning some extra rules for other servers and getting the hang of other game modes is really not that difficult. What I may say might sound harsh but, if your intent was to only stay on one server and admin only a single server I don't think you're cut out to be an admin to begin with. Know what you sign up for and being an admin means being able to handle multiple responsibilities.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

For having admin'd on another community (that's currently dying, if that's relevant) and it had server admins, with global admins. Poor ass unity, no teamwork, no sense of community at all, poor involvement all around. It's generally bad to separate the community with this, I think.

 

For my case, I got admin the first time entirely because of jailbreak. I loved 1v1 too, but I wanted SA to help Jailbreak. Had I asked anybody now, nobody would even know that, since I myself spread around every single server, tried and did my best on all of them. You mentioned that Charizard was an exception, 1/100 admin for doing what he did. That is not true, at all. Many admins started somewhere and are not at that said place. I'm 100% against splitting the admins into smaller teams. We freshly split the SAs to reduce their power, too. Going on ZE and perma muting someone cause you didn't know that it did that (which is damn normal, it should NOT do that) is no where near being a problem either.

 

Maybe jailbreak is the source of the problem, not the admin team after all. People leave jailbreak for very clear reasons, I don't see how forcing admins to stick to a server til they become bored/leave the community is going to help in any way. The problem is obvious, about jailbreak being badly admin'd, you're not wrong here. Deleting the unity that we currently have is not the solution.