[Rejected] My thoughts on the new Administrator rank, and it's effects on ZE

[TheCharizard]

When I first heard about the administrator rank, I was completely fine with it. Sure, I'd lose /slap and /freeze but it's a small price to pay for these big changes, as they could be very beneficial for the servers. I figured that I'd still have access to admin maps to create special events for the players, and I could do all my administrating without a change like before. However, this opinion took a 180 degree turn as soon as I got on ZE today. For the first 30 or so minutes, I noticed I didn't have /slap, which was fine, I accepted that.

 

At one point while I was playing however, I noticed that a couple of people were delaying in the hard maps because they didn't want to die and lose points, so they kept asking for me to slay them. Normally when someone does this, I use /beacon to reveal their position to the other zombies so they can't point farm, but I didn't have access to that either. I thought that was a bit weird, because it was one of the main commands an admin would use on ZE, but I accepted it, figuring that it's not the end of the world if I just slayed them.

 

Later, some people were talking about wanderers palace v2, a map only accessible through admin nominations, so I asked them if they wanted to play it, and they said sure. So I went to make a vote, and I realized that I didn't have access to that command. This honestly made me extremely frustrated and angry, because I couldn't pursue my main goal as an admin, to make ZE more fun and interesting for the players. This reminded me that I also couldn't activate special levels and secrets normally accessible with noclip, so I tried to use /noclip and I didn't have access to it either. I also realized that I now had no way to get myself unstuck, and I checked and saw that I didn't have /teleport, so I couldn't get other humans unstuck from walls either.

 

When the people that were on heard about the lack of these commands, they were all very disappointed that the other ZE regular admins and I couldn't do fun mini-events and challenges with them anymore. Also, all the other senior admins and up don't play ZE actively anymore, one may be seen every 3 days or so, and they are only on for a short time, or just sit AFK the whole time. The only truly active ZE admins are all regular administrators, which also disappoints many of the players that not only me, but Cept, Venom, and all the other ZE regular admins can't give them the fun challenges, maps, and mini-events that we used to give.

 

The verdict? The administrator rank doesn't work for ZE like it does for TTT and JB where these extra commands will not be needed for fully administrating, especially for those of us who have had these commands before and can use them effectively. A common theme of ZE is that when there is an admin on, the server becomes reasonably more populated than without any on, and the reason for this is not because they ban the rule breakers, as there are rarely bans on ZE compared to TTT and JB where there are much more rules to be broken, but it becomes more populated because the admins make the game more fun to play. This is why I applied, two months ago, at a time where ZE admins were a rare sight, I saw the opportunity to take that position and make ZE a more replayable and fun gamemode with original challenges, minigames, and maps that we don't see on a normal day like de_dust 2, ccc floator mislands timantetrix, etc. But now that I can't do that, I don't feel like I can fulfill my main reason I applied for admin, instead, I feel just like a glorified regular.

 

At least on ZE, at the very least, regular admins should have access to at least /vote, /noclip, and possibly /beacon, so we can do what populated and revived the server in the past.

[Polarzz]

I strongly agree with this, and to me now it seems like all the new admins that just got this new promotion in the past few months now seem like regular players now. After noticing how much some of the admins I talk to, said that they can't do anything fun now kinda brings the fun out of it, and the active admins like Venom, Cept, Char, Drak and a few others it limits the fun now. I'm hoping to see at least a small change where they can get some of their perks back of being an admin.

[nesquik]

they nerfed the admin powers too hard. whats the point of removing these commands anyways, how does someone say "OH MY GOD YOU BEACONED ME, EXPECT AN ADMIN COMPLAINT!!!!!!" and how does /vote annoy people? Like we have them at the end of every map. Also how does noclip annoy people? Admins aren't abusing it to survive 40 zombies that are chasing them. Maybe just enable these commands only for ze, and not other servers.

[Cutesicle]

I would have to agree since all the regular admins for ze are all administrators unlike the other servers these features besides /noclip tbh are kind of necessary to populate the server since compared to other ze servers our numbers are low i honestly would not mind the changes if we kept a stable population however we dont and most of the other ze admins just make up excuses and i cant blame them rly since life is a thing

[RedStormFighter1350]

I fully agree with everything that Charizard has said in this post. TTT and JB are okay with admins only being able to ban, kick, gag, and mute but it doesn't work like that on ZE. ZE has made a multitude of fun game modes because of the admin powers, such as 1hp challenge and melon roulette. Another thing is that ZE has RTV levels which are hard levels on maps that can only be activated by an admin who has noclip. An example of a map that has this is Tilex Ultimate. Without noclip this won't be possible anymore. Also ZE doesn't have the /stuck command so the only ways for a human to be unstuck is if an admin teleports them, which is now no longer possible. ZE runs on the maps because each map is different and they each make the experience enjoyable in their own unique ways (at least the good ones). Without vote admins will no longer be able to choose fun maps that are not in the current map pool because a 75%+ vote is needed in order to do that. Another issue is that most of the admins active on ZE, such as Charizard, Venom, Cept for Her, Drak, etc. all became admin at around the same time. This means we won't have any very active admins who can have these powers till August. As Charizard said with there are humans who can delay an entire round and make the game very boring because the admins can't kill the delaying human or put a beacon on him for a zombie to kill.

In conclusion, the powers of regular administrator that work well on TTT or JB are not enough for an admin on ZE because of how different ZE is from the other two game modes and the limited powers of admins very negatively affects the day-to-day experience of ZE

[Poobah]

I would be in favor of re-adding noclip, vote, and extend if it was removed. Noclip is really important for getting to the admin rooms on some maps so that you can choose the level after you've done a vote. I do see why it would be removed for regular admins though. Making custom votes is also a pretty significant tool for ZE, too. It's good to know what the majority of people want and allows for fast interaction with the players. I don't know if extend was taken away, but if it was, that's definitely needed in addition to vote, since there are many occasions where you've used up all your extends but the players still want to beat the map if you have been working at it for a while.

 

I do believe that ZE requires a few more commands than the ones allowed, but I'm not sure how such a thing would be implemented, like if all regular admins would get these commands or if they would be limited to just a ZE admin group.

[micklandusa]

ZE generally requires more admin commands because a lot more commands have very practical uses. For instance lets us the example of noclip, while in places like TTT and JB noclip isn't needed because there really is no reason to use noclip, but in ZE some maps have stage skips which can only be accessed through means like noclip/teleport. It also doesn't help that a lot of ZE's SAs are not very active or at least not as active as ZE's regular admins. But even then if they did get noclip back they would need a 75% vote to change the stage, and regular admins don't have that either.

 

So overall while servers like JB and TTT don't need these commands because they're no use to them, ZE does need them because some of the commands that regular admins don't have can be really useful to ZE regular admins.

 

In a nutshell I strongly agree with this suggestion.

[Karma]

I would like to say that some of these features are useful on other servers also, players get stuck all the time in TTT or JB causing a delay on the round. Normally admins would just use teleport to get the out but now there is no access.

[tana]

I think this deserves a +1! Ze pretty much needs these commands to make the server better not just for the admins but for the regs and players on the server as Charizard stated. Other servers like karma said also would only benefit from admins having some of these commands. Hopefully this gets thought over if it hasn't already.

[Euro]

Rito pls buff server admins this patch sucks