[Rejected] No revealing admins

[All Ts]

I've brought this up in the past, and my opinion has varied over time. My current stance is that if you're an admin and if someone reveals you the idea that the players "lost out" by doing so is so incredibly selfish and short-sighted I can't believe people consistently say it. If admins are supposed to care about the community surely one little kid who thinks it's funny to continuously call an admin out shouldn't be able to do that without atleast having a path to get punished for it. Don't mistake me saying this with saying if you do a shit poor job of going undercover that anyone who calls you by your real nickname should have to pay the price. Admins do have tools to not be visible to anyone that I won't get into, but as long as they're actively playing undercover (avatar change, profile private, name change, items defaulted, offline on steam) they should not have to deal with people purposefully calling them out as it can lead to so many other issues.

[WillofCamelot]

I do think this would be a good rule for people that purposely go out of there way to call out any admins out, and yes I know quite a few regulars that do this. Like if the admin has to change his pic, his name and remove all store items to still be called out.

 

I understand if someone does it by accident because there used to saying the admins name, like i've done that in the past by accident, but I never called them out for being admin though. But if this player is constantly calling the admin out, yeah I do think there whould be rule against, like any rule, you should be able to warn them and if they do it again, you can kick/ban them.

 

The only problem with that though is that you have to come out of being undercover to do that. Also I think if a regular that does this all the time, has been warned multiple times in the past and knows the rule well, should just get banned. Like if a regular that knows the rules well, starts to mass rdm or starts saying racial slurs. Because I do know some people that will wait for the warning to stop everytime, because they know that they wont be banned for it, without a warning.

[Gentoo]

I understand if someone does it by accident because there used to saying the admins name, like i've done that in the past by accident, but I never called them out for being admin though. But if this player is constantly calling the admin out, yeah I do think there whould be rule against, like any rule, you should be able to warn them and if they do it again, you can kick/ban them.

 

A lot of people aren't purposely trying to call you out, they're just trying to say hello, or even announcing your presence to get people to stop breaking the rules. But a word that comes to mind is obstruction. If you make it clear that you're trying to go undercover, it would make sense to punish them for obstruction. Likewise if people are getting in your way while trying to administrate in any other form (chat spam, mic spam, hazing new players, etc.).

[Mr.Trololo]

If you make it clear that you're trying to go undercover

 

So, if an admin needs to go undercover, they should come on and tell everyone "hey, i'm gonna go undercover, so don't call me out when i come back" ? The entire point of having a rule like this is that there are ALWAYS trolls or little kids who call you out because they get a kick out of outing you. When common sense isn't enough, you need to have a way to make it clear that by doing this, you're making it that much harder for the admins to do their job.

[Zia]

A lot of people aren't purposely trying to call you out, they're just trying to say hello, or even announcing your presence to get people to stop breaking the rules. But a word that comes to mind is obstruction. If you make it clear that you're trying to go undercover, it would make sense to punish them for obstruction. Likewise if people are getting in your way while trying to administrate in any other form (chat spam, mic spam, hazing new players, etc.).

 

It's not anyone's job to "make our presence clear" so that people stop breaking rules. One of the big reasons for going undercover is to catch people who break rules when they think we aren't on. The people that stop breaking rules when they see an admin are the same ones who always get away with it because as soon as we leave, they break more rules. Saying hello isn't the topic we are discussing, it's people that call us out when we are undercover. Not giving my opinion on the matter but just wanted to point out that what you said makes no sense.

[Gentoo]

It's not anyone's job to "make our presence clear" so that people stop breaking rules. One of the big reasons for going undercover is to catch people who break rules when they think we aren't on. The people that stop breaking rules when they see an admin are the same ones who always get away with it because as soon as we leave, they break more rules. Saying hello isn't the topic we are discussing, it's people that call us out when we are undercover. Not giving my opinion on the matter but just wanted to point out that what you said makes no sense.

 

I say that to distinguish between when people are calling you out or just mentioning your name. If we are making a rule about it, it is important to distinguish between the two. Banning someone for calling you by your name, or saying hello is pretty fascist if you ask me, whereas on the other hand, trying to alert people to your presence is something commonly punished by law enforcement (flashing brights to signal cops is illegal).

 

So, if an admin needs to go undercover, they should come on and tell everyone "hey, i'm gonna go undercover, so don't call me out when i come back" ? The entire point of having a rule like this is that there are ALWAYS trolls or little kids who call you out because they get a kick out of outing you. When common sense isn't enough, you need to have a way to make it clear that by doing this, you're making it that much harder for the admins to do their job.

 

You're right, should've clarified on that. I think as long as you've changed your avatar, name, and model, it's pretty fair to punish someone for intentionally calling you out.

[Zia]

I say that to distinguish between when people are calling you out or just mentioning your name. If we are making a rule about it, it is important to distinguish between the two. Banning someone for calling you by your name, or saying hello is pretty fascist if you ask me, whereas on the other hand, trying to alert people to your presence is something commonly punished by law enforcement (flashing brights to signal cops is illegal).

 

Objection, relevance your honor?

 

Edit: Seriously though I don't understand what your argument is here... Genuinely curious as to how this has anything to do with what I said

[Mr.Trololo]

I say that to distinguish between when people are calling you out or just mentioning your name. If we are making a rule about it, it is important to distinguish between the two. Banning someone for calling you by your name, or saying hello is pretty fascist if you ask me, whereas on the other hand, trying to alert people to your presence is something commonly punished by law enforcement (flashing brights to signal cops is illegal).

 

What does this have to do with what we're discussing? Undercover police =/= undercover admins. At this point, you're just pandering to get your post count up. Stay on topic if you're going to keep talking.

[Gentoo]

What does this have to do with what we're discussing? Undercover police =/= undercover admins. At this point, you're just pandering to get your post count up. Stay on topic if you're going to keep talking.

 

Sorry, people have made comparisons between cops and admins before but I guess the metaphor is a bit of a stretch in this situation. I promise I still had a point to make but I'm too autistic to articulate it properly.

[Virtious]

I don't think a kick or a ban should be the punishment for this seems a little too much, maybe a mute in text and voice chat?