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@BlackEagle I still completely disagree with your determination to claim that CTs are tricking the Ts for easy kills, but this really isn't that hard to understand. You're trying to over complicate this and in return making a way bigger deal out of this than necessary. We do not allow a CT at the end of the round to say "next round all Ts go to pool" for obvious reasons. That doesn't mean a CT can't tell a T "yeah I'll send you to pool next round". A T can request to have a freeday the next round, but per our rules any order can be revoked at any time. It's also a new day, which means whatever happened last round is irrelevant. Which means a CT doesn't have to stick to the requested freeday. Can you please stop trying to act like the process of revoking an LR freeday is some giant conspiracy for CTs to rack up easy kills? And the reason why this isn't set in stone already, is because it's perfectly within the rules. Like I said the real thing we need to be discussing is whether or not we want to allow a next day freeday to be an LR. IMO simply adding a rule stating "No next-day requests may be made as a last request" or something similar solves this entire issue.

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There's nothing wrong with freedays. There is something wrong with giving nothing but freedays. Things like "freeday no soccer" are fine, when they aren't given 8/10 rounds. Which, is against our rules to begin with. But the topic of freedays has nothing to do with this discussion. The initial thread that sparked this was about a CT apparently saying "jump for a freeday next round" then killing 10 people. That discussion was already answered and everyone agrees that unless it is 100% clear to the T that his LR will be jumping for a freeday next round, it is not allowed. As of this post there is no rule about promising a T that you will give him a freeday next round for his LR. That's what is currently being discussed. To simplify it, the question of this thread is should we allow next day freeday LRs? Honestly we've been getting off topic with discussing what we each think is the cause of all this. Pure and simple, should we allow next day freeday LRs As it currently stands in the rules, there is nothing wrong with it, nor is there anything wrong with a CT revoking it.

Had no intention of responding to this thread again, but I'll respond in defense of myself. It is more of a emphasis and pointing out that the exact thing he claimed never happened, was always happening. Them refusing has nothing to do with revoking the freeday. Revoking the freeday is more-or-less because freedays are stupid, and special freedays often end in a freekill. As for my own activity, I'll admit I haven't played in about 2 weeks now. One week was due to fighting the flu, and the second week is due to working and easing myself back into things and just not really hopping on the server. Elite 10 has nothing to do with kill hungry CTs. Kill hungry CTs have always been apart of PB long before elite 10 showed up. No reason to remove freedays. They are okay when used cautiously and when limited. Completely changing the way our server plays in regards to what the CTs are doing is not an easy or quick process. It took awhile for the revoking the non-stop next day freeday LRs to start happening. Only thing we can do about bad CTs that want to camp and give freedays every round, is to just keep enforcing the rules already in place of no camping unless they are helping the team, and not repeating orders. Mix that with having people play CT and give actual orders, and eventually things will slowly change.

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Lol... Alright let's get this over with, numbering your points as I'm on mobile and it's easier. 1- jumping for freeday is relatively new and has no direct correlation revoking free days. We all agree saying jump for freeday without it being 100% clear it's an LR is a free kill. Your issue of explaining something to new players is a non-factor as you'll always have to explain shit to people. Even regular players. This whole revoking freeday LRs has been going on since October. Not 2 months and it's not all of a sudden. The vast majority of the time with these LRs they happen at the end of the round when there's 1 or 2 Ts left. Your point of no effort to actually giving orders is also a non-factor as this is a LR after most Ts have already died. Again, this is separate from the jump for freeday next round crap. 2- Again, not a freekill. And it was very much game breaking. You would know that if you were playing at the time. Every round you had 2 or 3 Ts that would go to big cage or whatever the order was, then sit there and do nothing only to ask for a freeday next round. Then during that freeday they either got freekilled because it was impossible to keep up with which white jumpsuit had the freeday, or they just farted around and wasted 4 mins only to get an LR and ask for another freeday. We are talking about LRs, black eagle. Not regular orders. These things take place when there's a few Ts left and the round is basically over. The entire point of LRs is to speed up the end of the round. Then you clearly don't play on our servers. There's usually 2-3 players that literally stand in soccer, or big cage or whenever the order is. Wait till the end of the round, get an LR and ask for a freeday. And 99% of the time they refuse to do another LR when rejected for having a next day freeday. That's where the whole "freeze, look at the ground, do not knife, do not crouch, do not jump" comes into play. Which is CTs giving orders, as you so kindly want to say they don't. As for the logic in revoking the freeday next round, the T asked for a freeday next round. You kill him and end the round, which is the entire point of LRs. To speed the round up. The T dies and the new day starts. That's all the logic from the CT standpoint that you need. 3- believe it or not BE, more people than just you have posted about this topic and have posted across multiple threads about PB. And elite 10 is often brought up alongside blaming kill hungry CTs. And to repeat myself, yes the game breaking was happening. Which is why I started revoking those next day free days and thankfully other CTs followed suit. 4- IIRC the exact rule was that a CT at the end of round 1 can't say "next round all Ts go to pool". It has nothing to do with saying "hey next round I'll send you to pool". It just stops a CT from trying to give an order for the next round and risking a T not seeing it. 5- once again, getting easy kills has nothing to do with revoking the next day freeday. You are right, the point of the game is to give orders, Ts rebel, and CTs try to keep the Ts in line. But giving orders has nothing to do with the revoking of a LR freeday. As I already stated, LRs happen at the end of the round. So your whole "give orders and don't be lazy" point, is completely irrelevant. And last I checked, free days are considered lazy orders and defeat the point of the game. The Ts were not rebelling, and the game was very much broken by these people. And I saw your edit but already started this post. The CTs giving shit orders is nothing new and has nothing to do with this topic. And you are preaching to the choir. I've been working for awhile now to get CTs to give better orders and i also try to position the Ts so they have a chance to rebel. But again, that has nothing to do with Ts flat out refusing to even try to rebel, then refusing to do any LR other than freeday.

Talked to both Rabbit and Michelle before this thread was made. The situation was exactly this: The round started. Rabbit took the vent from VIP, went and got the deagle then returned to his cell. Turko left armory and went to get the deagle only to find it already taken. He saw Rabbit was the only T in VIP and that he had the deagle. He killed him for taking the vent to get the deagle. There is no "what if" as there's no physical way that a second T had time to go down to the bottom floor, go through the vent and grab the deagle, return through the vent and drop it, then return through the vent and escape before Turko had time to leave armory and go check for the deagle. Using deductive reasoning is allowed, and should continue to be allowed based on the situations. In this scenario I'm fine with the kill as, and I feel like a broken record at this point, there's no way Rabbit gets the deagle without taking the vent.

@Wawa @Nuclear Onion Personally for PB I wouldn't want it added. PB should be more about the actual game being played than worrying about ranks and such. Not to mention your rank will be heavily influenced by which team you play on and if you rebel a lot or not. But I really wouldn't care either way for that very reason.

You're missing the main point. Firstly, the situation is too far fetched to ever happen, and the logs are there to solve any problems if needed if it were to actually happen (that's a bigger if than I can even imagine). I mention the logs because they could have been used in his situation since an admin was on. And in an extreme case, they could be accessed by a higher up. He could have just asked him to drop the deagle. That's one option. But he didn't have to since simply thinking for longer than 5 seconds would allow you to know he left his cell before they were open. Using critical thinking skills and piecing things together has always been allowed. There is a difference in using your mind, and assuming. Nothing was assumed here. The only way to get that deagle was to have taken the vent. This entire discussion is so silly. The entire counter argument against the kill is "yeah but what if". Pardon me for not taking absurd hypotheticals very seriously as a counterpoint. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this same statement but, the only way he gets the deagle is to have left his cell via the vent. It's not assuming, it's using your brain.

You're entire argument is based off of what ifs that have a .00001 chance of happening. You were not killed on assumption. You were killed for going through the vent, which Turko figured out by putting two and two together. Like I said, what we have here with you is a case of poor rebelling, and you being upset you were busted. You also don't understand the extreme sarcasm in my post you quoted. The situation I posted is very far fetched and won't happen. There is no physical way that a T had time to run down to the vent (since I don't think you ever spawn on the bottom floor of VIP, it's always the second floor), go through it, grab the deagle, go back through the vent, drop the deagle, then go back through the vent and into pool before a CT had time to leave armory. It was not free kill. It was using common sense and actually thinking. Edit: And just for the sake of playing along with this highly unlikely scenario, admin logs show who picked up a gun. So if you hadn't gone through vent and someone else threw you the deagle, we could have checked the logs and handled it accordingly.

I feel like people are focusing on the wrong issue with free day next round LRs. As I've stated before, I was the one that started the initial wave of revoking those free days the next round. And it has nothing to do with kill whoring, and no @Stunningjam it's not a freekill in any aspect. The actual issue here is the Ts requesting free day next round LRs. Until I started the wave of revoking them, you had multiple Ts every round delaying the round only to ask for free day next round just to delay again. It became game breaking. There's no logical stand point for a T to request a freeday next round as his LR. In the role play aspect, why would your last request before you die, be to do something the next day? CTs have no obligation to follow some other CTs promised order, so any CT revoking a freeday LR is 100% in the right. Once again, can we stop scapegoating elite 10 and the CTs being kill hungry, as the reason for a problem? It's the Ts delaying the game, then getting upset when their freeday is revoked. They feel entitled and special. As I always tell them when they get upset with me, pick a better LR. Edit: And it's always been a rule afaik that you can't give an order for the next round. The order has to be given for the current round. So a CT could tell a T he will give him a freeday next round, but it wasn't officially an order until the CT stated it that round.

I'd like to point out that no official rule was actually made in that thread. The discussion was about a CT saying "jump for freeday next round" and then mowing down a group of Ts. As of this post, neither @Wawa or @Nuclear Onion have made any rule in regards to freeday next round LRs, and the only thing that was actually said in that thread was that unless it is 100% obvious to the T that him jumping is his LR for a freeday next round, it would be a freekill.

I want you to explain to me how Rabbit got the gun without leaving his cell. "oh his teammate left the cell through vent, got the deagle, ran back into the vent, tossed him the deagle, then left the vent all before the CT had time to leave armory." It isn't assumptions, it's putting two and two together. The kill was justifiable. What we have here is a case of poor rebelling, and someone being upset that they were busted.

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Less of killing on assumption, and more of using your critical thinking skills. In the OP example, he's the only one in VIP cell. Only way he gets the deagle is to have left his cell before they opened. Another good example that happens a lot is on Lego. The USP only spawns in one cell. If I get shot at from that cell, and there's only one T in that cell, I'm going to kill that T.

9:56 PM - [sG] Son Goku: the reason he killed you was for harming a ct? 9:56 PM - [sG] Son Goku: like is that what he said 9:56 PM - Rabbit ?: wait when he freekilled me about the vent and deag? 9:56 PM - [sG] Son Goku: the situation you told me yeah 9:57 PM - Rabbit ?: This is what happened i got the deag and waited for cells to open he comes into vip via vent before cells are open and kills me 9:57 PM - Rabbit ?: he didnt say anything 9:58 PM - Rabbit ?: then when i complain he tells michelle he was the only one in vip so it had to be him and she agrees 9:58 PM - [sG] Son Goku: where'd you get the deag from? 9:58 PM - Rabbit ?: the vending maching thru vent 9:58 PM - [sG] Son Goku: he killed you for harming someone, or getting the deagle? 9:58 PM - Rabbit ?: getting the deag lol 9:58 PM - [sG] Son Goku: that's very different then. the only way for you to have gotten the deagle was to take a vent 9:59 PM - [sG] Son Goku: if it was for harming a ct, that'd be different 9:59 PM - Rabbit ?: bruh 9:59 PM - Rabbit ?: u turned on me goku 9:59 PM - Rabbit ?: but he didnt see me go in the vent 10:00 PM - [sG] Son Goku: the only way for you to get the deag was to take a vent 10:00 PM - Rabbit ?: but he didnt see me and you cant just assume 10:00 PM - Rabbit ?: anything can happen in jb 10:00 PM - [sG] Son Goku: cells closed, only way you get that deag is to leave your cell. 10:00 PM - [sG] Son Goku: which is autokos 10:00 PM - Rabbit ?: someone couldve gotten the deaf threw it in vip then ran to pool 10:00 PM - Rabbit ?: alr 10:01 PM - Rabbit ?: im gonna make a post on the forums to see what others say 10:01 PM - Rabbit ?: but ill take ur word for it now 10:01 PM - Rabbit ?: cus its a problem that should be adressed in the rules Copy and pasted directly from our steam chat. Highlighted your answer for emphasis.

If a T kills harms a CT at any point, they are KOS. So no, it is not slayable if you killed a T that killed another CT.

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