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@Mikey.I promise I’ll respond, but I will need a few things from you first. For one, please divide your paragraphs into thirds, as it’s impossible to read. Second, can you remove the additional sentences that are very clearly vestigial that you for some reason posted? And third, I don’t know what I did to make you so defensive in your page against me, but you’re throwing accusations. None of my responses to anyone so far have been aggressive.

@ToastyYour points are all true and are literally flawless; but the problem is that you misunderstood me. I’m not saying that every case of suspected rdm and rule-breaking should be based off logs and testament, I’m saying only some should be. Since you provided an example, I’ll provide mine. Say you’re on the TTT server and you notice that after you die, multiple people shout to you that they got rdmed by the same person. You check logs next round, and see that he’s murdered five innocents as a detective with no breaks in the logs. Which one should win here, common sense? Or protocol? Because I think you would be hard-pressed to imagine a situation in which the detective was justified. That’s why I think that logs and popular opinion should only be applied to mass-rdm, as it’s pretty obvious what happened based on logs and testimony. You are correct in saying, however, that it would be horrid for minor cases of rdm, which is much more complicated.

@urpalerpThe reason why I suggested perming mass rdmers is because the rate at which they are currently being perma-banned is much slower than the rate at which more come on. Though it’s a much more aggressive approach I feel like it has to happen. Plus your comment in the JB server is why popular opinion should only be applied to the TTT server, as there’s far fewer dickbags on there and more regulars. But yeah, fair points.

@urpalerpYou're not wrong that most of the staff does do well, but there is a reasonably sized bunch that clearly should never have gotten the role, as seen from the examples presented above. At the same time, I would never critique an admin for following protocol, but I feel like it needs to be changed. Too many times has the logic of needing to see something in order to act prevented a person who rdmed multiple people from getting punished. If the logs say it, and the players say it, the only thing that's holding back an administrator from acting is having to see it. Because of this, oftentimes people get away with the most blatant shit, and it only contributes to the growing number of people who rdm for fun, as some may do it because it was done to them once. Plus, I get your argument about needing to actually play and all, but the thing is; most admins that get on never spec at all. I'll likely get flak for this, but I feel that massrdm is something that should warrant a perm, as the day-long bans have not been helping against people who come on to rdm once a month. Popular opinion also needs a place in the rules, as ignoring, say, ten people who are telling you that someone is massrdming, but you can't punish because you couldn't see it, and you know that the shit's in the logs is horrid. It's a disregard of common sense, but because of the protocol, you have to basically turn a blind eye until the next round when you can spectate. Or, maybe you got lucky and you saw it and then you slay the person. Then, they do the same thing again. It's a lengthy process that I really think has got to go, if the servers are to be rid of these assholes who come on and fuck shit up.

@GentooI know that I’ve been pretty lacking terms of solutions, but I wouldn’t have made this post if I felt that it was at least being addressed. This month, like I stated earlier, has been a real fuck-up. There’s been more rule-breakers than usual and multiple admins have had drama, including a discord riot that resulted in one of them getting doxed, and it just seems like everyone is kiting over these problems. I’m not trying to disagree with you, but there really need to be changes to the rules and the server, as it’s getting unbearable. Thanks for the response. P.S. Fire Wavy

@Steven.I don't mean to be an asshole, or come off as a dick, but please, read the whole fucking thing. I never said that all admins neglect to do their job just that some do. I never disagreed that it is difficult to ascertain whether or not a kill was a rdm, just that the punishments have to be more effective to prevent rdm from being purposefully done by someone who enjoys it. I also never said that you should neglect protocol, just that the current protocol is causing there to be way too many steps that is preventing admins from acting quicker on a rule-breaker. Plus, I've already said my thoughts about !calladmin, and that it is inconsistent, and that is just something that has to be accepted. Also, your response to the "Ineffective Punishments" portion wasn't even a response to that portion specifically, it was about something completely different, !calladmin. I was talking about the inability of the current punishments to keep out or prevent rule-breakers from entering, or doing their craft. I've also said that the little amount of talking is not the problem, it's the lack of community between the players. With new players constantly coming in and joining, there has to be community to tie people together and help each other out. Some people could even tell other people how to download recording software, which would combat the issue of rule-breaking. But this doesn't exist in the TTT server, because people just don't talk. None of them are interested in trying to have interactions, and it's horrible for the health of the server, as returning players are becoming fewer and fewer. I haven't seen Crow in a loooooong time. As for the server crashes, you're jumping to the assumption that I am somehow directly insulting the people who work on the servers; I am not. I am pointing out an issue that has been around for a long time, and I think is detrimental to the health of at least the TTT server. And you calling me pretentious is bullshit. As an added note, if someone makes another reply that is answered by the original text or by one of the replies that I gave to someone else, I will neglect to respond. You people are causing my fingers to fall off. Seriously, read the whole thing and then say something, because I put a lot of time into making sure that nothing would be misconstrued or otherwise flat out wrong.

@20 scrollsI've already said before that I get it's a rule that you need to see it in order to punish it, and it's getting very heavy on my fingers to have to re-type it over and over again to different people. Honestly, I should create an FAQ for this shit. But past the joke, I disagree with this rule; because of this and the protocol that requires you to issue warnings before you can actually punish, it's creating multiple stages which admins have to go through punish someone who very clearly needs a slay or ban, immediately. You can see a guy rdm someone and you can't immediately punish, which is just-stupid. I would rather a few accidental slays on people who didn't deserve it occasionally than having to wait twenty minutes for one admin to ban the mass rdmer who's been killing everyone. This isn't an exaggeration either, it happens about once a week. And I'm not flaming admins, if anything I feel sympathetic for having to go through so much trouble to do something so simple because of "protocol." Why not change the rules so that the enforcers can actually do their jobs as enforces? As for what you said about perma-banning, I literally didn't see any disagreements. I said it was hard to get a perm on someone, you said it was hard to get a perm on someone, are you just making me type shit out so that my fingers burn off? As for admin applications, you may be right that original intentions start out with wanting to help, but I believe that it slowly degrades into just using your ranking as a way to instantly punish someone who does you wrong. And at least know a bit about a person, like play with them for a good amount of time and know that they've got honest hearts before you let them become an admin, because Dom already got banned, a bunch of others deleted a discord server for fun, erasing months of work for the people on it, and Wavy called me a faggot because I beat him in Dead By Daylight. So I do believe there is an issue with the admin application system, and I think you would be hard-pressed to disagree.

@RygorI get your perspective on the matter, but take mine into account; every day there are usually admins on at all times that I play, maybe none at ten-minute intervals, but there is usually at least one on. Now, say somebody comes and rdms you and another person. That's already two rdms. Then, you report to the admin, who hasn't seen it happen and needs to spec next round to get evidence. The next round, the same person goes and kills multiple other people, let's say three people, by a conservative estimate. By the time they get banned, five people have been killed for someone's sick pleasure and they've been banned for maybe a day at most, which might as well be nonexistent since they only come on once a month. My point in the original text, that the bans are not sufficient punishments unless they are permed, applies here. Five people die for a ban that doesn't do shit. And this is not taking into account a situation in which someone mass rdms when an admin is not on, killing even more people. Not saying they need to be permed for small transgressions, but this is the equivalent of no punishment at all. To address your perspective on knowing the characters of people applying for admin, have a look at the three examples of shitty behavior on the parts of admins that I also provided. Dominic's ban, the Discord riot, and the screenshot should already be sufficient proof that at the very least, some people who should not be admins are slipping in. Don't even try to tell me that there is nothing wrong with the way that we accept in admins. And as for the part about !calladmin, I give up. I somehow feel that there is nothing I can do to convince you that it is vestigial, and I suppose that it's purpose is okay enough to warrant a text command.

@splaydAgain, I already said that my experience only applies to the TTT servers, but from what I've heard about the JB servers, you aren't lying. But in any case, my points still stand about the admins rather using their status as a personal shield. I wouldn't have a problem if they could at least just try and do something about the inflow of rdmers, because the TTT server has basically turned into deathmatch server whenever someone with <1000 karma gets on. I appreciate your input, and I don't disagree with much of what you said, but these problems are still prevalent, and are not being addressed. Not that I want admins ban anyone and everyone, but I just want them to do-something. You have no idea how enraging it is to see somebody go unpunished after they kill multiple people but no admin was there to see it. Let's wrap this up, there's too many people replying to this thread and I have to get to them as well.

@Amazing I would report the crash bug were it not around for three years and still not fixed. It’s been recognized by just about everyone who plays the TTT server for more than a couple of minutes, as it’s pretty hard to ignore. And don’t try to shove the problem onto the players, because like I already said, it’s your problem. It doesn’t affect me, because I just join back, but it does affect the server since a whole lot of people leave after a crash. So no, I will not file a bug report and your attempt to shame me will not work either. And though you may be right about the chat-spam, I hope you realize that undercover admins usually get called out in a matter of minutes regardless if they have done anything because it is not hard to scroll though someone’s lists of names if you haven’t seen the user before. Again, being undercover does nothing and may instead cause more people to go an revenge-rdm. And the people who mass-rdm don’t really care about bans in the first place because they don’t play frequently, only coming on to be dicks to everyone.

I'm gonna go play some KF2 so I can take my frustration out on some zeds, I'll reply to this thread later, peace. All of you have fun disagreeing or agreeing, or raging at my impunity in calling out this stuff (joke).

@splaydI get your reasoning that someone may be wrongly punished, but never, have I ever seen the public opinion favor punishing someone who is innocent. And as for seeing the actual rdmer go and rdm, I see it just about all the time. It's very hard not to see when the same person is doing it every round, even if it isn't to you. And as for !calladmin and filing a player report, my point above about most people not knowing how to utilize recording software holds up and !calladmin, at least from my experience, works about 50% of the time. You can call an admin on a guy who's been freekilling about everyone and type "massrdm" into the request, and you'll have to wait ten minutes, or more, or sometimes they will never show up. By that time, the person has usually left. And as for admins being "eager" to see rdm and other rule-breaking happen, I'm going to have to call bullshit. Even when admins are on, most of them never go to spectate someone who has been complained about. You know zainab? Took him six separate rdms in the same session to get banned. And he only got banned off the last two.

@AmazingI appreciate your response, but I have a few things to say about it. Firstly, when I made the point about community, I was referencing the servers themselves, not the discord, not the forums, but the servers, which without all the others could not exist. Plus, from what I have seen, those communities are a very small tight-knit group of admins and regulars that are very different from the average player on the servers, who do not participate in both the forums nor the discord. Secondly, the server crash issue, as far as to my knowledge, has been around for three years; that's a pretty long time, and it's not a small issue either. If you're expecting me to file a bug report, I have to decline as that's pretty time consuming and I'll let someone else not as lazy as me do it. But either way, and I don't mean to be cynical, that's your problem, not mine. Thirdly, the points I made about the admins that you countered by saying they would reveal their cover if they spoke too much are true, but being undercover has not done anything so far. Consider that when people think that there are no admins on, while you may catch more rule-breakers, you'll also inadvertently cause more people to revenge-rdm others when they feel they have been wronged, rather than calling an admin or reporting the issue, since they think they aren't being watched. Also, undercover admins, and I hate to say it, rarely ever do anything. In fact, I would say that they are more undercover for the ability to not get chat-spammed by people who want to report a rdmer. So no, being undercover, at least in my eyes, actually does less than putting the [SG] in front of your name and dealing with the issues head on. And my points about admins hearing and seeing shit but not acting is valid as well, as it happens pretty damn often. Complain as you might, rarely ever does an admin on the server spectate the person reported or slay them. Hell, they often don't even give a warning. While I understand that it's a tough job, many of the people who are supposed to be enforcers have their fingers up their ass. Sorry, but it's true.

Today, I just wanted to post some thoughts on the forums about the recent experiences I’ve been having playing here and the effects they’ve had on me. I’ve been playing here for about three years, as I joined around 2017, and I’ve had my fill of experience, though I did take a bit of a break in the middle. Anyways, I’ve just wanted to talk about some of the problems that I think the servers are facing that are relatively recent and are crippling the potential for SG. While by no means I am stating that what I am stating is fact, I want to delve into what I think is killing these servers, from the neglect of administrators to do their job, new players not being supported by the community to learn the game, and the increased influx of people who are using alternate accounts or even their primary accounts to rdm or break various other rules and then leave, or stay, in which case they usually aren’t even punished. Rulebreakers I’m not sure if this is a going trend, but from my observations, this month has been terrible in terms of the number of people with <1000 karma, that come onto the server and clearly break the rules, knowing that they are doing so. While this topic I am covering only has my experience applying to the TTT servers, from what I have seen on the forums from various player complaints about the state of various other servers, mainly the jailbreak one, I can tell that this issue is prevalent just about everywhere else, with people either explicitly setting the rulebook aflame, or trying to skirt around it a little and use the rules as thin justification for indecent acts. Admittedly, people who decide to be an asshole and ruin games for other people for fun are always around, but August has seen some of the worst rule-breaking so far. On the TTT server, various different people will come on at least once a day and commit their short experience on the server to freekilling as many people as they can. Multiple times I have been killed out of nothing, then taunted by the person who did it, and at the same time, there is little that can be done against it: most players who play on the TTT server do not have a forum account, nor know how to utilize recording software, and when admins are present, the old rule of, “You have to see it to punish” applies, and even if you do make a player complaint, it has to be a very big rule-breaking circumstance to warrant a punishment from the SG team. Though this rule has been around for a long time, I feel like warnings, slays, and bans were issued much more frequently back when I joined in 2017, when the admins were more lenient with their powers and did enforce the rules, even off of public opinion. Oftentimes, if enough people were complaining about one person, they would be punished, and I don’t think this was necessarily a bad thing, since nowadays, even when admins are present, people like zainab (one such rdmer) don’t give a shit, and go out of their way to murder as many people as they can regardless of the presence of admins. Plus, it took that guy around six separate rdms to finally get a ban. The worst part is, the punishments they receive, such as bans, aren’t even harmful to them, since they play rarely and likely have alts. The bans might as well not even be there, and speaking of which, this leads us to my next topic. Ineffective Punishments Many of the people who rule-break, even in front of admins, as it gives them a kick, rarely ever play the servers. For example, certain people who were banned relatively recently like Chris, zainab, FLORIDA MAN, and others, are far from regulars and the time that they are banned might as well be nonexistent. The next time they come onto the server, maybe a month later, it’s the same behavior, every time, and until a perma-ban is issued, they are a constant nuisance to everyone who comes to just play the game. Plus, permanent bans are extremely hard to issue, and the justification for doing so is hard to warrant. Admittedly, once a permanent ban is given, it does solve the problem, but it only bans one person. People are constantly joining the server, playing the game, learning the rules, and the rate at which more assholes who enjoy rdming for fun are created outpaces the rate at which they are permed. While I am not saying that SG needs to ban anyone and everyone that so much as picks their nose, I am saying that the punishments need to be more severe, or at least preventative so that people who commonly come onto servers and ruin the experience for those who play can be somewhat mitigated, though this may be a difficult task. But all I can say is, back in 2017 when I joined, if an admin was on, the server immediately became clean. The only real rdming and the like occurred when admins were off. Now, so long as they can stay out of sight of the admins, some players who enjoy the chaos kill basically anyone they can, and flip a middle finger to the rules. Alluding to my point earlier of most players not having forum accounts and not knowing how to record, it’s very difficult for these people to be banned. Again, I am not saying that the admins need to be late 1900’s policemen, but the punishments need to be more severe, or we need preventative methods. Let’s move on. The Lack Of Community One of the greatest things that makes online gaming so good is the player-to-player interaction. People add friends all the time and develop a sense of community with the people they play with. As cheesy and stupid as this sounds coming out of my mouth, it’s true, and the social relationships in games are what bring people together and create good times. However, the SG servers basically lack this. And I don’t mean community as in a, ‘everyone has to be friends with each other’ manner, I just mean interactions in general. Only about 10% of the people on the TTT servers at any time actively use their microphones, and while you might say that this is a good thing, since the airwaves are not being cluttered, I find this to be very, very, bad. If a sense of community was developed, good relationships could be formed, and it could even help combat the issue of newcomers turning to the sardonic nature of rule-breaking for fun, since they were already having fun playing with friends in the first place. A preventative measure. Let’s be honest, the gameplay on many servers would be much more dull were it not for the people that you played with, talked with, made friends with, conflicted with, and competed with. Most admins themselves, the people who should be helping the servers along and the community, are basically mute. Encouraging people to talk and open up contributes to the overall mood of the server. If no one were talking except to call out koses and game-related information, I would’ve quit the server a long time ago, and I’m sure I wouldn’t be alone. Sweaty tryharding isn’t my thing, and the fun times you create with the people you play with is what really makes the servers gemstones, at least in certain scenarios. We also barely know anything about each other; I know that somebody is going to present the issue of security, but just talking about yourself a little in game is always nice, and lets other people feel like they know you a bit; again, it gives that sense of community and a meaningful relationship, even if it is online. This, yet again, leads to another problem, and another topic. Admins There are a variety of problems that I see here, all of which I am certain will be disagreed with by someone or another, but I have to indulge. For one, the motivation for becoming an admin has become less to maintain the health of the servers, but rather as a personal shield from rule-breaking. What I mean by this is that multiple admins oftentimes hear and see things happening, but neglect to try and confront the issue. Many of them are just there to play the game, and use their status as admin to instantaneously punish anyone who would make the unwise decision to free-damage, rdm, or otherwise do something against the rules against them. Because of this, the SG servers are filled with administrators unwilling or not motivated enough to actually try and fulfill the original purpose of their role. Maybe I’m wrong, and I’m somehow seeing a minority that are only there to try and play the game with their elevated ranking, but I do not think that is the case as I can only think of a handful of people who literally bust-ass to try and prevent people from getting shat on by rule-breakers. At the same time, admin applications, while not necessarily lenient, have been made into a manner where you don’t really need to know much about the actual person to vote. Someone could act completely nice on the server, make a very good application, be a regular, and they would be accepted. But when off the record, (and I am not saying that this happens) we really don’t know how these people actually act. A good example of this was the discord riot that occurred when multiple SG administrators, as far as my knowledge of the situation goes, decided that it would be funny to delete months of chat, pictures, and other media forms, and replace it with just one topic named, “My Balls.” Though the response by the people on the discord was fucking unacceptable, in the case of doxing one admin involved, nonetheless, it really shows how little we know about the actual people that we appoint to the position of admin, since most people would think it pretty sadistic, and yes, I am saying sadistic, to delete months of multiple persons’ posts just for fun. It’s just about the same thing that many of the people who come onto the TTT server and mass-rdm would do, given the opportunity. Additionally, the banning of Dominic, a former admin for general unwanted behavior also represents how easy it is to fool people into giving you administrative abilities, as I’m sure that Dominic didn’t get admin, and then Legend through blind luck. My point through this is that the character of the person who is accepted, or even denied, is virtually hidden, and no better is this represented than in the examples above and in this screenshot (https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1487830416933726917/9F0AF8CE5FC6999DAB1BBBEC9DA6917D7473A541/), where an admin, in a different game, calls me and another admin faggots because I beat him in a relatively normal match (he sucked at the game). It doesn’t really bother me, but how the hell did these people ever get the administrative position considering how they treat other people? Again, the character is completely disguised, and we have no idea if we are appointing a saint or a crook, though these are mild exaggerations. For the most part, and I will admit this, the majority of people that are accepted are generally good, but this could be a facade for the real personalities of other admins that are not so nice. And considering the recent transgressions during this month, or even year, SG admins aren’t looking so hot. Server Crashes This one is more of a technical issue than the rest of the topics I have brought to light so far, but nonetheless, this one is just as important and damaging as the rest, maybe even more so. The reason for this is the player count and the survivability of the server. I would say that the TTT server crashes occur around every two or three hours, by my estimate. I have no idea if the jailbreak servers are similar, but all I can say is this: when the server crashes for TTT, the player count is effectively cut in half when loading back in afterwards. A good portion of the people who were playing decide to cut their session short right then and there, as not only is the crash a big turnoff for them, they may have decided to do something more pressing, or that they might consider to be more fun. As you might expect, this is pretty bad, since the server thrives with more people, as not only is it more enjoyable, it also puts it closer to the top of the server browser, giving it more publicity when you put in “TTT” in the search engine. This issue isn’t new either. It was here when I started in 2017, and is still here today. Believe me when I say that I know nothing about computers nor servers, so I have no solutions to this issue, but this is one of the major problems that at least the TTT server faces. A crash every two hours, cutting the player count in half, is devastating, and has to be fixed if SG wants to come close to EGO on the player count in the server browser. I do believe that it is something that has to be fixed by the server owners,, as when a crash occurs, it is due to the server, not the players, as everyone is disconnected but no one’s actual game crashes. That much, I am sure of. Conclusion I already know that I will likely receive heavy criticism for saying all this, but I feel like these opinions are very much valid and need to be stated. In 2020, SG is facing an incredible number of problems with the servers and the community, and they do not all stem from rulebreakers. Many of them come from other sources that are unexpected, like the admins themselves. While I understand that disagreement is going to be prevalent, I would prefer that those reading this keep an open mind; I’ve seen a lot of shit in these three years on this server, and I have a feeling that if the issues are not corrected, the servers will only spiral down further. Then we’ll all be left with EGO TTT servers with their shitty rules that don’t allow you to KOS off sound. In any case, I just wanted to try and make a few points about how I feel with the servers, and the problems that they’re facing, at least the TTT one. In the end, I doubt that any of this will matter, as with any large organization, change is a slow, and lengthy process that requires near-unanimous results, and response to this will be far from unanimous. Maybe I’ll be discredited because of my age or my inexperience, or someone will flat out call bullshit on my points, but in the end, these are just my thoughts, feelings and opinions, and I tried to make them as fair to my time here as possible. I would be surprised, but pleased if any of this was taken to heart and some of the problems managed to be corrected. I’ll continue to enjoy the servers as I always do, but I know that these problems can be fixed. Not by me certainly, as I can’t do jackshit for you guys, but what I can do is try to point this out and make it known. Or, I’ll just get flamed for having a different opinion. Who knows.

Items that have the potential to lead to inno-on-inno deaths are generally unfavorable, kind of like the random teleporter, which you could use in a firefight to get whoever you were shooting at to murder the poor soul who took your place. Not only does it cause loss of karma, there’s a lot of ensuing salt. Prpbably not a avery good idea since people will merk innocents who are shooting at a Traitor that has been “proven”. It really just breaks the game, and isn’t skill-based, like the missile, which requires good aim, or the teleporter, which requires good timing.

Gg hypno, no re

I’m guessing you called the wrong winner earlier?

Damn Hypno two games already? Give the leprechaun man.

The problem with the gold knife previously was that people would often kill another innocent by mistake because they thought they had a gold knife. Some people would use server plugins or their inventory to equip a knife that looked like a gold knife and then run at innocents and get those innos to kill them. Basically, it was t-baiting, but it doesn’t exist anymore, and should probably stay this way.

It’s a good map, arguably better than the regular Waterpark map.