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This is something I find important concerning the FO changes, and I think it I should re-post it considering it may have gotten lost in the jumble of text I wrote.

I think the general meaning for @Jmcdon7 's OP (If I'm correct) is that he still can't ask the T to drop the pistol even if he is the person using the first order. If the ability for that was implemented, it would most likely deter CTs from dying. Allowing CTs to type chat orders during another CTs' FO defeats the purpose of FO and will cause confusion. Asking CTs to stop moving while infront of a crowd of Ts to type will most certainly end in their death, not something people would want to do.

You obviously haven't played ba_jail_electric_vip_v3_sgedit_v2, where two T's can kill a full team of 15 CTs in less than a minute and a half consistently across the maps' rounds. While they're not defined, special orders are essentially orders given to a separate T(s) that is separate from the order that was given to the main group. The most common examples of special orders are,"Gumline go to Iso" and "Rawmondz, Iddypo, Shado, and Krumzie to go medic". I'd like to argue and say "(So and so) drop your pistol towards me" is also a special order because it stops the rest of the CTs from being able to give an order. If we were to implement this into the first order it would either slightly increase chaos by getting the CTs more distracted or make the CTs' lives easier. However, with first-order being 60 seconds, on some occasions, it may be a waste of time. Additionally, the meta of asking someone to drop a pistol isn't to just drop it, they're frequently told to drop it inside a cell or towards a CT "in a way that other Ts don't pick it up". That way does make it into a special order and makes whoever is giving the first order stop giving regular orders and focus on the T with the pistol.

Map Removal Full map name ba_jail_soar_b5 Type of map Jailbreak Why should we remove it The map's been on the server for over a month (Added 12/18/19) and only has a little over an hour and a half of playtime. Generally, it doesn't seem like an interesting map people want to play. If we compare it to jb_marioworld_rsc_sgedit_v4 it has less time than it even though soar has been on the server for three weeks longer. The map often loses in split vote decisions, and I have yet to play on it for longer than 10 minutes because it gets rtv'd. I think this, along with a few other, map(s) should be removed due to them/it simply oversaturating the map pool. If we had fewer revamp/razor maps there's a slight chance that it would be played, but considering we have 5 variants of the same popular map I don't see that coming any time soon. The map was recently played again on 2/4/20 and got double rtv'd after roughly ten minutes.

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This belongs in the JB Moments section, but good work soldier. Anyone remember (I think it was) Rawmondz's like 8 kill jihad?

I knew the sweat would win, unfortunately I lost sight of time and forgot about the event. Hope you all had fun though!

I've definitely experienced what you're mentioning, but I have a few good ways of not letting it get too out of hand. If I want to keep a post for the near future, I just keep the tab open or pin the tab. If I want to keep a thread for the long haul what I've done in the past is create a document or notepad and put the links there. I've never actually used what @Trazz mentioned but it seems like a good workaround and something I'll take a crack at.

Congratulations all of you! I'm really excited to see what things the Marketing team has to offer/show the community. Good luck to everyone in their new rules, keep up the good work.

Crouch walking orders haven't been popularized in months, and the last time I saw someone use them was @Gumline a week ago. The reason the "squeaky tryhards" are taking over the comms on CT is because we have a large portion of regulars who sit on CT side and don't like giving orders. They stay silent and force players who aren't necessarily comfortable giving orders to give orders. I agree, one of the largest problems, in my opinion, is the lack of admins on Jailbreak. Of course, it's unrealistic to ask admins to be on at all times of the day, but generally admins either don't want to get on the server or have a hard time dealing with high population hours. I've also noticed a lot of the new admins not being able to control a server on their own at all, they have a massive hard time dealing out punishments/warnings and I think it would be smart for admins to try and get on together to avoid that. [quote=crazedkangaroo;1030091 If you look at the past few discussions about JB, the majority of them have been people asking, or complaining, about rules and changes that restrict them from killing Ts. The two that come to mind are No Cardinal directions and Floor is Lava. These are two recent things that CTs were doing to intentionally confuse Ts and rack up their own kill count. The mentality of a CT where all they see out of the Ts is another kill is what is causing boring round after boring round where Ts are crouch walking backward while knifing the ground from one point to another. One change that helped me return to JB was the addition of Death Games at the two-minute mark. This gives CTs and Ts something to look forward to and stay alive for. My favorite part of JB is death games and I try and partake in any volunteer death game I can because they are fun for both sides. Sure it sucks to lose and die but its rewarding to win. Though, I am not advocating for death games to be allowed any earlier than this mark, I simply wanted to point out a recent change I liked. As far as the discussion that this thread was intended to be about, I think the rule change will do a lot of good for the server when its high pop. As stated earlier a lot of the rule changes have been made to restrict the CTs from causing chaos to feed for kills and on the surface, this rule may look to do the same but I think it will actually provide more control to the CTs. Giving one CT a bit more control over the server will push all the CTs to better work together and create a more enjoyable environment for both sides. While I wish I could go back and play the JB I played so many years ago, I don't believe trying to return the server to the way it used to be is viable. Moving forward with the community that is present is what has been happening and is what should continue to happen. Hop on CT and try to create an environment that you want the server to have. The floor is lava order was one given to have some fun considering a lot of times we're stuck on maps with no mape-made deathgames, and a lot of the T side doesn't want to do a custom deathgame. So what we're left with is trying to make our own fun. "Floor is Lava" is not a confusing order when given properly, additionally a lot of the examples given in the thread by people who weren't able to witness it being originally given were confusing in it of themselves. Floor is Lava is an order you can still give as long as you explain it somewhat, and don't 1-tap people. The cardinal orders, again, weren't orders intended to confuse people, it was an easier way to say "look at soccer" (Which happens to be through a wall so you can't see soccer). However, like other orders they were ruined by select people who abused it. This game mode is incredibly T-sided, and if the Cts aren't strict they'll get overrun easily. If you guys are consistently complaining about the lack of good Cts why are you de-incentivizing those that try by shitting on them constantly? This whole concept that these Cts are only strict for their KD is a far off one. I rarely see CTs talking about their KD at all, the hard-assness comes from not wanting to die so fast in the round. As for your issue with the multiple mic-spammers, why not mute the T side, let the voice comms calm down, then a CT is gives an order, and then unmute the T side. I understand each situation isn't black and white like this, so why would it hurt for someone who didn't mic spam be muted for a minute in the admins' effort to find out who was actually mic spamming. All in all, the main problems I see with Jailbreak currently are the lack of admins being online when it's neccesary and the voice chat. I feel like both of these problems can be remedied as long as we're able to re-motivate our admins to get back online the servers more often. Actually speaking about the OP, I still feel like it's too early to decide if this is a good or bad feature. I've seen some good come from it already, because it does allow for some actual order to be setup. However, I agree with the sentiment the other regulars on this thread share, that we shouldn't be adding excessive restrictions and more structure to our server. Edit: Now that i've been able to play for two days with the change, I have a few comments. For starters, I find it a little uneasy that when !FO is taken with 20+ players it lasts for 60 seconds. This means that most of the time the CTs and Ts get unmuted at the same time. I still don't know how I feel about that, but if you take !fo 5-10 seconds into the round the Ts can get unmuted before the rest of the Cts do. If we are planning on keeping this change I suggest having the CTs unmuted at a set time instead of it being dependant on whenever someone took !fo. This way the CTs can always be unmuted before the Ts do, which would generally (imo) cause less confusion.

I was planning on returning home today and playing on the server and then casting my opinion, but no one seems to think we should wait and see how it plays out in-game. This change-log was made at midnight. A change like this that varies with the number of players on the server is a change we shouldn't immediately start talking about how bad it is, give it some time. Actually play the server with the 30 people, and then comment if you agree or disagree with the change.

I understand the T ranks topic should be its own thread, but I thought I might aswell leave some context of previous discussions. @fantastic summed up the idea of T-Ranks pretty well, there's no reason to add another points system: I wouldn't be opposed for the Top (Whatever # [10,20]) gangs being able to flex either their rank or status on the leaderboards in chat. Moreover, the discussion on Gang/CT-Rank related cosmetics was discussed during our last community meeting. These were the notes specifically on rewards for gangs and CT-Ranks: Essentially, what I believe would be most achievable would be custom models, auras, trails, credits, and tags in chat. I would love to hear our managers' opinions

As far as I know, the whole point of players not having to slay is because we have admins to kick/slay players. However, in those scenarios where we don't have an admin online and the person is consistently killing 3+ people without proper justification you should type !calladmin in chat and report them. If you feel inclined to do so, the better route is to create a player complaint. Make sure to follow the player complaint procedure and guidlines, and provide sufficient proof (A recording, VOD, demo, etc.).

I do agree with you and think we should stop babying the players with excessive amounts of rules and restrictions, but with the number of retards we have screaming on our servers I don't know if reverting this change would be any good. It is under !fo so everyone should be able to listen, so I actually don't think this would be an issue to bring back. However, I don't think the managers are taking the server in that direction or want to bring this back.

While I agree with you these situations are bad, in order to keep the discussion alive, there are still ways to combat them. If a CT is constantly giving a T an iso order or "constantly jump in big cage" order the T can fight back; A. He can tell the CT that he's breaking a rule by constantly giving him the same order, B. Another CT can revoke the special order, C. If he's getting the "constantly jump while turning 360 degrees and look up and down" that order can be considered an unreasonable order. An admin can also step in, to a reasonable extent, if a player is getting targetted by a specific CT. All the above options are things that work, have worked, and have been done before to combat those types of situations However, with how much louder JB gets by day if we revert this change it would cause a lot more confusion and chaos to the CT's. More freeshots, more yelling, more confusion, you get the point.

Well that can still happen, but @Gumline is talking about special orders during first order; "Iddypo go to soccer" "Error go to iso". Not allowing freedays in first order has been in place for a while, but removing the ability for special orders was somewhat recently added.

Right, and I agree. The only reason I made this post was because a CA told me the entire building and ladder inside the building is KOS (Not the ladder on the outside).

Looks like fun, hope I can drop on by!

First, I'll link the original thread, where it was determined that the ladder above medic connecting to the building was KOS. When playing on this map a few days ago I was ordering the T's to go up the building level by level (Because there's nothing to do on the map), and an admin was telling me that I wasn't allowed to give KOS orders and that the ladder is KOS. I don't think the building or ladder should be KOS, especially on a CT sided map like this one.

Hey @nesquik just wondering when COTM November/December will be here? The last update was over four weeks ago, and the due date for submissions was a little over three weeks ago. You could have even gotten terminal cancer, i'd still make this post. My point is I'd (and I think some other submitters would) appreciate an update. @roux Time management. We just had a discussion on teamspeak about how I've asked you in the past and was met with disrespect and no answer. There's no reason to give me attitude because I asked for an update on your project.

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Congratulations guys!

Honestly well deserved and extremely overdue!

We understand we have to give warning shots, and it was never intended for this to be a deathgame. This was a regular order given, the only issue was in-experienced CT's killing and not giving warning shots. The whole point of this order is to cause a little chaos, and be a little fun. If someone gives that order inside of big cage, they didn't think it through. For example, if all the T's are in soccer pitch and you say floor is lava they might have to run out of the pitch and get on a ladder or catwalk. Because it's fun.