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Can we please @Cept For Her

I just have the fat TI-84. Works great for math etc. , but when I took my regents (State exam) for Algebra last year they wiped all the calculators. So i couldn't play froggy once I finished, some fucking bullshit

It technically is, you're not supposed to teamkill. And telling a CT someone is doing something KOS-able or where they are (not with the group) is indirectly getting them killed.

that's why I said our job of enforcing the rule of most if not all ct's have to enforce should be a thing people start looking out for (more than usual)......

You do make a lot of sense in this and it does make me change my stance slightly, but this is still a plausible idea. The issue you brought up about CT's camping to get last CT, and then kill. This is fixable by enforcing the rule we have on CT's enforcing. I'm aware not ALL ct's have to enforce at once but that is different than sitting in a secret and waiting (something A LOT of people STILL do [unfortunately it takes a while to give the warning or get it to be recognized]). Also, typically when last CT happens they were just killed. When this happens A LOT of other T's have guns, or have a big chance of getting guns. I do now realize that a ct could just mow down innocent people the second their buddy dies. I don't want to give up on this idea because it seems interesting, so i'll be brainstorming a way for a fix.

I feel like this would definitely be good to speed up the round, but I don't think the speed and extra stuff is necessary. I do like this idea, maybe instead of giving speed just grant the ct like 150 HP or something of a buff so he lasts longer. Great idea +1

Most people just do it because they want to see someone they don't like get killed.

Don't understand why you have to rag on the younger audience that JB brings. There are PLENTY adults and people who fit the requirements of your friends (deep voices) that also do not know the rules and freekill. We should probably get over the stigma of the fact that only younger children, or people who sound younger are the only toxic/rule breakers.

Applications for my valentine going up rn.

This is something i'm notable for attempting, and am know known as 'the shitty ct who freekills". No matter how right you are the whole server will hate you. Yes you would be in the right, but eventually, round after round, you'll get tired and they'll win the constant freedays. This is all except an admin gets on and intervenes. However, i've only ever seen an admin intervene on this when it's been 10 straight rounds of freedays and either the T's win in two minutes or we drag out the whole round while the CT's camp.

The issue is most of the people who play CT on JB are not good. They do NOT enforce and do NOT want to. They're there for the power CT gives them and end up camping the whole time. This all going back to getting better players on CT. I'm aware of the playtime suggestion being shut down but I'm open to ANY other suggestions or ideas to be debated on.

Deathgames are the things that fill the gap from "Sitting at point A to point B" . The issue is that NO ONE likes doing deathgames, they're too scared to die. Forced deathgames are something we should be implementing to keep our servers fun and active. I know I lowkey repeated what you said WavY but it's because I agree with you

@Strayyz @Frostbitten If you've ever played jailbreak you know for a fact revoking a freeday thrown by another toxic CT is almost impossible. You'll try and give an order and revoke the freeday and they'll throw the freeday right back. Eventually, so T's don't get freekilled from confusion, you have to give in and give the freeday. Confusing orders and conflicting orders are always difficult to get real evidence on and punish (In this scenario). I absolutely agree with @nesquik and think there should be a delay on freedays. Ontop of the fact that people think "First day Freedays" are mandatory we need to really enforce on how often a freeday can be given. I agree I do give freedays a lot, but typically when it's 2AM and no one on really want's it to be strict. The main thing we're discussing however is the fact that during peak hours with 20+ players CT's find it a lot easier to throw freedays and not enforce. The issue with enforcing has been a very apparent topic. To fix the freeday issue we should probably restrict it to once every 3 rounds? We do need competent CT's, something I'll never drop.

I made my comment to what Dominic had said, stating that admin's should not be talking over a CT who has taken fo. He also said that if they had done that, that it is a clear abuse of powers. It's not that I specifically have a problem with it (None the less I do), but that Dominic just said that it is clearly not ok. Also hate to break it to you but it is extremely hard on any community or area with a power hierarchy to get a friend who is a superior to their friend to discipline them.

This has always been a thing, admins frequently use the peace and quiet of first order in order to get a warning across. The main issue that comes with this is "undercover" admins is using it, when it's clearly a breach of the admin rules (Not having the SG tag in their name when using their powers). The undercover admin topic has come up inconclusive and important points have gone ignored. Many people say that admins speaking during the first order, or when the Terrorists can't speak yet isn't a breach of the admin rules. Yet when you "expose" and admin who has blatantly used an "admin power" before the round, they'll get upset. I think we need a large clarification on these rules or even a good debate about them. Hate to break it to you but admin's, even though they're joking around with another admin, consistently do that I find it hard to stop.

it's an epic poem, and I actually enjoyed The Odyssey minus the annotation of each chapter. It has a good story and a lot of good deep meanings, if you didn't just jump on your class' bandwagon you'd realize it's actually a great book.

Oh haha I thought you were Manny lol

Yeah last year my good English teacher didn't skip any chapters but my one this year skipped like 3 chapters like how can you do that to a piece of classic literature.

Where did you make the edits?

I hate to do it but for everyone i'm just going to post the essay on the forums, good lucking reading eye-numbing text. Thanks Dom

I’m okay with people knowing my name. On top of that the email given is a school email so it’s not that bad. If someone were to do something with it my school would either make me a new one or I can just ignore emails I get. I understand the “self-doxing” that we have on steam gamers, and frankly I don’t agree with it. If this works I give you a verbal written agreement that I won’t sue or get pissed off or etc if someone says my name in game or school email (I don’t care).

Just to address everyone, I have this on a google docs but didn't think to link it. I will absolutely and I'm aware of the format that an essay should be (It's correct on the doc). I'll edit the post to have a view link for the google document. @shoiep @Gator @Kieran @Creten @Labarr

So i've got the final draft of my English essay due on Monday, I was wondering if anyone here wanted to voice their opinion on it? The essay is comparing the two works of "Siren Song" by Margaret Atwood and The Odyssey by Homer. The prompt for the essay was as follows: How does the poem change the meaning of a specific meaning of The Odyssey and why. I connected the poem and The Odyssey by connecting the Sirens of Margaret Atwood's "Siren Song" with hard laboring women. This is my essay, please reply with any edits or suggestions!: (Name) (Teacher name) English 9 25 January 2019 The Connection of Women and Sirens The Odyssey, an epic poem by Homer, and “Siren Song” by Margaret Atwood, two pieces of linked literature. “Siren Song” elaborates on The Odyssey’s sirens, creatures trapped on an island who bewitch passing by sailors with their seductive song that ends in their own demise. In The Odyssey, the main character, Odysseus, sets out on a journey home and encounters these sirens. The sirens attempt to lure Odysseus and his sailors into listening to their deceitful voices, but Odysseus inherits a plan from Circe to block that from happening. Margaret Atwood is a known literary genius of her time, and has published over thirty books, which allowed her to be able to get the insight to edit a famous passage of Homer’s The Odyssey. Margaret Atwood is also “a pioneer of contemporary feminism”, standing up for women’s rights, influencing her connection of the siren’s and women in “Siren Song”. In “Siren Song”, Margaret Atwood shows an extension of women through the portrayal of sirens and their hardships. The text of “Siren Song” is important because it is the only time,other than the one chapter in The Odyssey, where the sirens are mentioned. Word choice, tone, and tension play important roles in the transformation of text between “Siren Song” and The Odyssey by changing the meanings of the siren’s appearance from arrogant to deceptive good will for the purpose of showing the sirens as metaphors for hard laboring women in The Odyssey. Word choice was consistently used by the sirens in order to portray their importance unlike the importance women lack in The Odyssey at the same time keeping the attention towards the “lucky” sailors. The siren’s are always using words with a double meaning in order to convey the sailor’s auspiciousness and get them excited to either listen to the song or go towards the sirens. Specifically, “Only you, only you can, you are unique” (l. 23-24). The sirens use seductive language like “only you” to captivate the sailor’s attention. The sailors are so easily captivated and amused because of the attention that they receive. Since they’ve lacked attention over the years at sea it had made them less aware of deceit. In that situation the siren’s used word choice in order to make the sailors feel good about themselves, but they also use it to empower themselves in order to deepen the sailor’s investment with a false sense of auspiciousness and attempt to make up for the empowerment women lack. “I don’t enjoy it here squatting on this island looking picturesque and mythical.” (l. 13-15). Here the sirens use the terms “picturesque” and “mythical” in order to keep the sailors in check, making sure they know that not only they are lucky to and happy having attention but also that the sirens are the ones with the power. The siren’s specifically use the words in order to show the sailors what they’ve been mistreating these almost fictional beautiful women. Women were only viewed for their beautifulness, and once they married they would be forced into their stereotypical labor. The sirens specifically use “Picturesque” and “Mythical” to describe themselves to make their presence known, unlike the women’s presence which was left ignored. The word choice used by the sirens was one of many ways that they were able to fool many sailors into listening to their song and paying for their crimes against women throughout The Odyssey. While word choice was effective for gaining the sailors attention, tone was the real breakaway for letting the sirens force the sailors into doing what they asked. When the sirens say, “Alas it is a boring song, but it works every time.” (l. 25-27) they are using the effects of frankness and forcefulness in order to make the sailors understand that they will inevitably fall for their song. The sirens are being frank by admitting to the fact that their song is deceitful, and are being forceful because they make the bold statement that it “works every time”. Even though the sirens are repetitively doing the action of using luring/seductive words it is important in this scenario because they are almost “twisting the hand” of the sailors, making them feel like they’ll only be stalling the inevitable if they don’t listen to the sirens now. This is extremely relevant to relationship of hardworking women and sirens. While the men would go off to war, the mistreated women would typically inherit all of the belongings of the man once they die. Throughout all that time the women are forced to do menial house tasks, that simply diminish their confidence and make them think that they are doing a pointless task (Which is true). The sirens yet again force their tone by stating , “Never has any sailor passed our shores in his black craft until he heard our honeyed voices.” (XII: 202-203). In The Odyssey, Homer utilities tone to not only crush the sailors wishes of passing by, but it also attempts to lure them in with the usage of “honeyed voices”. Specifically, “honeyed” is used in order to create a sense of safety and at the same time a pull, in order to make them give into the song. Atwood does this is order to show that the sirens (or women) are pushing back the same feeling that men did onto them. By showing to the sailors that they are miniscule compared to the sirens, it gives the sirens importance. This importance gives the sirens a relatability to women, making them as an extension of themselves raining fear and killing self-righteous women oppressing men. Tone was an important factor for depressing (yet also cruelty breaking down)the confidence of the men, something they frequented upon women. However tension was a large contributing factor in depressing their mentalities. Tension was manipulatively used by the sirens in order to play with the sailor’s minds, and cripple their normal reactions a warrior would have to obvious deceitful events like the ones playing out currently. Similar to how men used their bouldering masculinity to manipulate and entrap the women at the house, doing maids work. The sirens attempt to manipulate yet again, “Shall I tell you the secret and if I do, will you get me out of this bird suit?” (l. 10-12). The sirens attempting to yet again lure in the sailors into a trap. However, Margaret Atwood utilizes the “secret” in order to fool the sailors into getting the siren out of the “bird suit”. Using the word “secret” the sirens add a mysterious ambiguity to the “secret”, making the sailors want to do anything for the sirens in order to find out what the “secret’ is. This increases the tension, because the sailors are inherently “dying” in order to find out the secret (However by finding out the secret they’ll be dead anyway). The bird suit, which is a metaphor for the sirens/women being stuck in their positions, is directly linked to the sirens being stuck on the island and women being stuck in their household tasks. The sirens who are constantly asking for “help” from the sailors are opposite to women in this scenario. Women, who were stuck in their household positions, never had the opportunity to quit their household tasks. While Margaret Atwood utilizes tension in order to stress the importance of hidden meanings, Homer utilities tension to show the significance of actions or events. When Homer states, “ So they sent their ravishing voices out across the air.” (XII: 208) he is using tension with the word “ravishing” in order to increase the significance of the sirens voices. The word “ravishing” is tense itself because of its intensity. This makes the sirens seem more important than they should and by using the word “Ravishing” Homer shows the fear installed inside of the sailors. The ravishing voices indirectly connects with Margaret Atwood’s women, because the ravishing voice can be perceived as the screams of agony and pain of the women. The screams of the sirens come from the repetitiveness that women endure, doing the same work over and over again day after day with next to no meaning. The sirens, overall, were direct extensions of the women in The Odyssey and the women throughout Margaret Atwood’s time. The things Margaret Atwood experienced were obviously important, important enough to push her to become a contemporary feminist. However, since Margaret Atwood grew up strong, she was likely able to handle snide remarks and injustices done towards her sex (Unlike other women at the time). The sirens would use many of the same elements of deceit used by their own men to deceive weary sailors passing by. This direct correlation of mistreatment of women is an important view to hold. It is important because it shows that not only did Margaret Atwood (A pioneer of contemporary feminism) knew about the injustices that women held, but Homer did too. Homer not only expressed this mistreatment with the sirens, but used it throughout the book with Penelope. Homer portrayed the mistreatment of Penelope through the agonies and stress she suffered over the twenty years waiting for Odysseus to return. Margaret Atwood was also able to view these obvious injustices in her time, opting to become a feminist and even correlate her education and a classic writing like The Odyssey. In conclusion, the sirens are portrayed as direct extensions of women's un-accounted pains, stress, and abuse from men throughout their time period through word choice, tone, and tension. Works Cited “Atwood, Margaret”. Facts On File Companion to the British Novel: 20th Century, vol.2 Atwood, Margaret. “Siren Song.” Selected Poems. Houghton Mifflin Company, 1975. Homer. “The Odyssey”. Translated by Robert Fagles. Penguin Group, 1996

I said DENYING the 10-10 score, as in not letting them to tie it up.

Right before the Rams were about to make a touchdown when the score was 10-3 the pats intercepted the ball?