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I mean that fucking interception denying the rams their touchdown to make it 10-10 was amazing.

Your main points were about how new people would get bored on T side, and that freekillers are always going to be an issue. The point I was trying to make (Which may have not come off properly) was that there will always be something to do so you don't get bored. Yes some people won't care about secrets or attempting to ace the CT side, but as long as you have a nice pod of welcoming enthusiastic regulars to greet these people they won't care about CT side. And to address the frequent freekillers that this wouldn't affect, that's what we have player complaints for. What I was trying to address is that new players are never really bound to get a real punishment (because they're new), but someone who has been on the server enough and goes for a mass freekill will just get reported. Someone who comes and freekills, it takes about ten minutes and there's a player complaint for @Manny to swipe off on. Thanks again Manny for watching my shitty long player complaints

Imagine leaving a sarcastic comment on a thread where we discuss real issues on one of our servers. But seriously, the whole reason I @'d a whole bunch of people was too see their opinions and try and get some sort of discussions starting. This thread was ignored for a month up until Dominic was asking for opinions on it. I personally care about JB and like Gentoo said, I'd like to see some real people get on CT and enforce. It's already hard enough to enforce as a CT without having everyone hate you, but when the ratio is about 5T's per 1 CT it's even worse.

I doubt that a lot of people would leave because they've not been able to play CT. Yes i've seen people get tired of T side, but this is when they're regulars who know everything and just wanna go enforce or direct a deathgame for a little bit. With the right welcoming players a new player should never get bored on T side considering all the secrets and ways to kill CT's there are (and maps). The best solution to your question would be to temporarily change the CT timer and get the reactions from the new players, but a lot of new players don't join the forums or commit to a community server. I'd say to just raise it to an hour (Our common ground). This should genuinely work considering when playing video games with a friends/communities time passes fast.

Every time i long on I see at least 3-4 people (at peak times) playing CT side yet not knowing the rules. Typically it takes A LOT of coaxing and positive bullshit to get them to understand the rules (and to inherently switch). Yes there are *sometimes* admins online, but during late night it's a frenzy. Unless the person leaves they'll be frekilling the whole night. However, this isn't the only time, lots of time's during off-peak days we'll get someone who comes on, plays T for the required amount of time, then freekills on CT per usual. Once they've satisfied their disgusting ego they just log off. The main issue with someone like this is that because they are new, whatever gaming expierence they've just ruined for 10+ people they'll get a minor punishment because they are new.

I don't think there needs to be any opinions voices, for anyone who has played Jailbreak for over ten minutes you know the CT's are not very well organized. The timer HAS to be increased so that we can ensure the people who are enforcing and have the "power" know what they are doing. @Wawa @Takuto @Military_king

This is definately true, we have a lot of maps in the pool that are rarely played because all they contain really is deathgames. On some maps that are more frequently played aswell, the T's are forced to go to the same locations (Soccer,Pool,Disco,Medic,Iso,Big Cage) and do nothing except rebel because no one wants to play deathgames. This does sometimes create some imaginaiton where they make up some interesting deathgames (Jokes, Favorite foods, first reaction last reaction, Simon Says [Which is toxic asf], etc.). Jailbreak does get repetetive for new players, and that's why a chunk of them usually go on CT side and make up their own rules (later to learn that that's a no no). As much as I agree with forced deathgames and think it's great, we should still probably ask the community because we've had this discussion before. A lot of low-skilled players play jail-break for some of the CT's relaxedness and the fun deathgames. Even though a lot of regulars would agree to this there'll still be a lot opposed.

I agree with Dominic in the fact that forced deathgames will make the game more interesting, but we shouldn't be forcing ALL the t's (only a portion. The whole purpose of Jailbreak as a terrorist is either to rebel, or follow the orders and have fun. The main issue is that most people don't want to play CT, or if they do they won't properly enforce. The dream for Jailbreak is to have strong ct's that enforce, yet have some fun rounds. We already essentially have forced deathgames, when no t's are willing to play the main CT gives very strict orders. This essentially makes it so if the t's slip up slightly in any way they die. This is proven when someone says crouch and freeze as the first order, and then going around nit-picking anyone who's outside their cell or moved an inch (I'm no stranger to that I'm aware I do it too.). Forced deathgames would be a great idea, but if only we had competent CT's willing to enforce (Going back to my constant talks of increasing the CT timer to an hour or two).

There's no fix to the solution in your explanation. It's very common for a CT to give an order and not know that one of his fellow guards isn't in a ready position for that order. When they say freeze, most non-malicious T's would freeze immediately, all others would pursue the endangered CT.

Raising the CT-Timer to two hours is something done on other servers and seems to work out, but I seriously doubt it would affect players if they got "bored". New players typically join during peak hours, and if one does join during the AM they'll know that it's not their peak hour. I also don't agree with forcing someone to join the SG Jailbreak to group to become a CT because some people like to just expierence a server before committing to it. Dominic everything you said in this thread was absoloutely perfect for JailBreaks needs, maybe even some new maps or maps we don't have. For your idea of Last Requests I do think it should be increased to the amount of terrorists that need to be alive, but maybe also having it as a proportion or ratio so it's not 3 ct's alive and 7 Lr'ing.

There's been a discussion about admin's going undercover which hasn't gotten much resolution/attention lately, here: https://www.steam-gamers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=81898&page=5 https://www.steam-gamers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83988&page=3 However overall if a player wants to be anonymous it's very simple, either A make a new account (wow cs:go is free now), or B literally do what was talked about beforehand and change your profile picture, steam name, and get a voice changer. Players going undercover isn't really something essential that needs a rule revolving around it.

A good examlpe of how you can rebel easily but doesn't really help in the whole introducing new players to a new gamemode they're unfamiliar with

You're getting "harassed" and called a "freekiller" because you are a freekiller. You gave the order of all t's crouch walk follow me, then you said stay on the sand path at all times. Then you move over some stairs far away so if we don't follow you we very clearly are going to die (we think that because earlier in the round you had freekilled two people). So us being the logical sensical wanting to live t's we follow you up the stairs onto another set of sand pathways. Then you tell us to freeze (To line us up), then go for the collatoral for all the players. If you didn't want us to follow you up the cobblestone stairs you should have made it clear, inherintly making you someone who A gives confusing orders (against the rules) and B someone who freekills/freeshots (Against the rules). Back to what you said about you being harassed, you were only harrassed that day when you were online because you did something wrong. You were also given shit when you got banned but stayed online (People are obviously going to be upset about that). Now I'm not saying that you wont get bothered in the future because you will, especially after the fact you make a whole thread filled with mostly fallacies and pity reasons. Proof of everything is in this thread including a video: https://www.steam-gamers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=86009

I've brought this up before as a suggestion and it got no attention and was disregarded, but we need to increase the timer on being able to play CT. Other servers have it at two hours and seem to never have any problem with their CT's. However, with us, we seem to have a lot of new people going on CT and freekilling (obviously not knowing the rules well enough). I'll probably bring this up at the next meeting again but I seriously think raising the timer would help significantly.

Congratulations everyone!

He liteally just said "scouts and knives" how am I supposed to know anything about that unless I play MG. He made no indicator it was for MG he just said three words

I don't get it? What server is this in regards to and could you explain?

I knew how to get there I just had the trouble because the actual button to get to the request page was not working for me. Thanks @Creten

I like this idea of chaining admins to their desks, can we get a thread going on that?

I have the 1 Day JB award and was hoping to get the 5 day one considering I have 6 days. However, when I go to the page there is nothing there for me to request the award unlike when I requested my 1 day JB award. Does this have something to do with me having the 1 Day JB award? help plz

The admins aren't online at 3 AM to stop a freekiller on a work day? WOW. I'm making an admin complaint on every admin. IM INSULTED

Which server? And also if you need an admin try joining the SG discord and teamspeak, there are normally plenty of admins there.

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To BoM and Robert, Currently the way JB goes is the CT’s send the T’s somewhere and have them play some mini game or fuck around. Yes the point of being a ct is to enforce and stop rebellers but in all honesty you kind of want a few rebellers to speed up the round. On some maps like Revamp, Razor, and Spy V Spy after playing for ten minutes it begins to get boring and most of the time only a few t’s are willing for death games, so getting to those lr’s are fun. If we were to force death games like Robert suggested then we would lose the dozens of players who play for the relaxedness and “freestylic” “vibe”. Another big problem is as you guys said Ct’s screaming over the mic “Freeday freeday” when another CT is trying to give an actual order. This is a pretty big problem because unless the CT giving a real order gives into the free day and they keep going at it the rest of the sever will get confused and get upset about conflictions. A JB meeting is absolutely due and the reps need to get it through to the players that they can’t do certain things because it ruins the integrity and stability of the round/server.