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If you play with it a little more, I think the bits that make it unique will become more apparent. For instance, once people figure out how death soccer works,(hint you control it via the control room) they should have alot more fun with it. Also, the theater locks(is unlocked on the first round, and unlocks randomly by itself on round start) normally, and it takes the harvesting of all the loose melons in the farm to unlock it. Thats the first mission objective/reward Ive seen implemented in pb, so you know, that should be worth some funs. Also this map had alot of design based around gameplay, so once people learn the ins and outs of it, it should make for good times.

well done, ive been waiting for this.

http://css.gamebanana.com/maps/178755 here ya go

Here is the new version- http://www.filedropper.com/babutcherstationb3fix Im currently hard at work on a smaller and tighter version of this map. It drops a few features in an effort to tie the map together, thus making the map more playable on smaller servers.

http://www.filedropper.com/baabfdclockworkb3fix

Rules can contradict each other, they are not laws or commands set in stone. That being said, its not a contradiction but an exception to the rule. As far as being unable to do anything other then "deal with it", I can also complain about it on the forums, like Im doing now. I dealt with it a long time, and will most likely continue to, but it seemed like it was time to discuss it rather then just dealing with it.

I stopped acting defensively when hawk stopped with the personal critiques. Thanks for the actual input bom. A stated opinion is alot better then just implying how you feel by saying my idea is bad. It did not really occur to me that people enjoy their down time, its still not a great reason to me, but at least its actual commentary on the issue at hand. While you guys chat or text each other, I tend to read or play a hand held. Only problem with that is, I dont like reading a good book then putting it down every 2 min to do something else. Same issue goes with the handheld games. And I HATE texting (I dont own a cellphone, that shit is the devil), and really i tend to keep to myself. Im not gonna bug a friend on my list just to eat up my spec time. Goku, as I said, your ideas(regarding how to treat the last t) are great, but they do nothing to help me when Im on the t side.

Yep pretty much everything you say is spot on caution. Grim and most of the other admins just made stuff up on the fly. They pretty much had to at the time, seeing as how the motd was in its early stages, and there was so much gray area to exploit. I can understand that its bothersome to have to change rules around to accommodate this(lr or death), but I still thought the discussion was worth having. Sure kids might argue over who kills the last t, or someone might come up during the degale toss and shoot the t, but it wont happen every time. In the past it was a non issue, sure the deagle toss thing happened sometimes, but it was pretty rare. It might happen more often now thanks to the rank system, but maybe thats something we should be discussing as well. I dont want to get too far off topic, but back when the rank was first implemented years ago, it did change the way many of the reg cts played. Way more awping, leaving the ts in one spot the whole round, and a lot less close contact with ts, this was only made worse by the jihad mod. But yea, thats probably better left for a different thread. As much as I liked gokus suggestion(its what i used to do with the last t if he refused an lr once the rules changed), I cant be the ct in control of the last t every round. Im more speaking on behalf of dead ts who are stuck watching the one guy who did not rush, as he drags out the round for everyone. They are completely powerless, and they just have to sit there and wait for a round draw. Not sure what others did, but Ive been giving out lrs since I started cting, well before our motd was polished like its current state. Once again, I cant name dates or anything, but it was a long long time ago. lr has never seemed like a death game to me, just a (kinda) necessary evil to help speed the game along. I dont think changing this should require fiddling with any of the rules. Just one small addition, the last t must accept an lr or face immediate execution.

bom... ive not called anyone out here other then the guy telling me he feels sorry for me, called me ignorant, then topped it of with saying im lacking a basic human trait. You all have the right to your opinions and the entire reason for making this post is so we could discuss them. I said im ignoring any more suggestions to read a book, not every opinion that does not jive with mine. Also caution did not say NO, he said its never been a rule as far as he knows. Its true the rule was never on the motd, sorry if I led anyone to believe that it was, that was never my intention. If my tone seems a little stark to you, it might have something to do with the fact that the entire first page of this topic is devoid of any real discussion on the issue. out of the 5 or 6 posts there, they all either say, "we dont force death games" or "read a book". Thats not a discussion, its hardly even giving an opinion, in fact noone really mentioned if dragging out the round bothered them or not. (shoep does come pretty close to saying it doesn't bug him, and of course its clear that hawk does not care.) Bom, I suggest you go back and read these post again, 90% of them lack opinions, and are mostly just people giving me suggestions on how to deal with my personal problems with pb. Some, but not many do contain actual input on the problem, but as stated they all revolve around "no forced death games" or point whoring cts. I would appreciate some actual input from you rather then just name calling and backing up hawks ideas.

neme, thanks for at least admitting that other people do complain about this, even if as stated they dont care enough to try to change it. I was really getting tired of folks pretending like it was a complete non issue. I just wanted to discuss this issue, and see how people felt about it.

black eagle you have stated many times now that you feel sorry for me, and even went so far as to call me ignorant, that's personal. not read the rest of your statement but yea, that about sums it up, no one else took the time to call me ignorant or that they feel bad for me. And as for being patient, Im an infinite well of patience, I think the fact that im still here trying to get my original thought across should be proof of that. Im glad you have said your last on this, because to be honest you have been the least helpful person to post so far. Next time I ask for ways to occupy my time in spectate, please feel free to weigh in. But in this post you have basically done nothing to address the actual problem Ive stated. You have simply said that its not going to change, and you feel sorry for my ignorant self. This is the only valid reason thats been stated, I ignored all the others because they are just not valid(and more or less revolve around the same issue " we dont force death games"). If a ct does not want to give whatever lr, he should just shoot the t, Ive stated this already, it goes with the whole, not dragging out the round thing. There should not be some long 1-2 min production to entertain the last t, who more then likely did nothing during the round. And as stated, I could care less if some ct gains a few points or some t losses a few. Cts are already not allowed to camp round after round, and I pretty sure no one is going to rise to the top ranks by camping all round in hopes of getting one free kill at the end. If the idea is to stop one person from holding up the round, I dont see any reason why we cant force an lr, other then your stated, "o thats forcing a death game" once again stating the obvious like im too dumb to understand semantics. Point being death game or no, dont hold up the round for one person. Just as the cts gain a free point by killing the last t, the last t gains a point by not loosing one, if he refuses an lr to ensure that he is not killed that round. Are people doing this? I dont know, but its as much a valid point as rank whore cts getting freekills. yea, that right there is the definition of a personal attack, saying that I lack some basic human characteristic is about as personal as it gets. When the server was young, I and many other players would force the last t to take an lr, if he refused, we killed him. I did this in full view of admins, many who practiced this themselves. I never got punished or had to deal with any crap for it. Eventually I drifted away from playing pb to work on maps for various sg servers, When I came back almost everything had changed, alot of it for the better, but I still feel this is an issue that just got swept under the rug in favor of dealing with other more pressing issues on the server. Now that the rule list is basically sorted, it just seemed like a good idea to bring this back up. Most of the stated reasons for why this wont work revolve around the fear of contradicting the motd. Just like the rules change for the last ct, there should also be some consideration for the last t, especially if he just feels like dragging out the round.

You imply that im stupid by by telling me to do obvious things like read a book or chat. Ive been playing this game on and off for years, and Ive always had a book or ds handy to pass the time. This post has nothing to do with how I should be using my spectate time. In your past post, you said you felt sorry for me at least twice then gave out the same suggestions that previous posters gave. Not sure why you would have to get personal and state that you felt bad for me or whatever you said, that has nothing to do with the post, if you disagree with me fine, state that, but stop trying to make this a personal issue between me and you. Im not ignoring anyone with an opinion here, telling me to read a book is not an opinion, why you guys have taken on such a shitty tone over this issue escapes me. I came here plain and simple to state an opinion and see what everyone thinks about it. I kinda thought thats what the forum was for. I as well was playing on the server, pretty much from the start, and I just want to get back to days where we would not hold up the whole round for one person, thats all. Like I keep stating, and everyone keeps ignoring is that as far as i can tell, this issue stems from the rank system. So why dont we talk about why this problem came to be, instead of giving me suggestions on how to spend my time, and panning me for my opinions? And no clearly, I dont play ttt, this has nothing to do with ttt, can we stop talking about ttt and just try to stay on subject? I already said its not the biggest problem in the world, if it wont change thats fine, but i did not realize you guys were going to poo poo all over me for stating my opinion. I fail to see how that's implied here, Im stating the fact that the 4 people who posted before you are not the only people in the server. Yet most are acting as if im the only person who has a problem with this. Hell, maybe I am, but how am I supposed to find out with out asking the community? Once again, not one person (aside from goku, thats actually borderline input on the stated problem) has offered any input as to why things are the way they are, or why its a great idea to keep it that way. Most of your post have been more along the lines of "your idea is bad and you should feel bad" rather then offering any actual input. If you disagree fine, then state WHY you think its a great idea to let 1 person drag out the round. Enough with the social commentary.

Why not? if it annoys you speak up, most of the folks so far seem to think that dragging out pb rounds is a great idea, and a great opportunity to catch up on some reading. Hell even if you disagree with me, the whole point of this thread is to get people taking about it. I think there should be a slight adjustment to mic spamming ts (mainly that cts be allowed to shoot them after a warning to be silent while orders are given, i feel its one of those common sense things really) but that's a discussion for another time.

Back when grim was still playing, we killed the last t from time to time. We sure as hell did not sit there while one guy jumped around for 2 min holding up the whole round. Just in general they would do whatever was needed to speed the round up, be that execute the last t, or beacon the last ct. The rule list was pretty short back then, and it was left up to the in server admins to enforce things as they saw fit. Most of that stuff was all "common sense" stuff that you would not have thought(at that time anyways) needed specified in a rule list. Not sure when that was, but it was a while back. Many rule changes and years ago thats for sure, crazy to think how old the server is.... And not to be a jerk, but I'm just gonna ignore anymore suggestions to read a book or chat with a buddy. I'm trying to fix a problem here, not have people treat me like I'm too stupid to occupy my own time. The few people who posted here do not make up the entire server population, so stop acting like I'm the only one in the world this annoys. I'm actually pretty down with the current rule list, our server has done a great job of getting all those nailed into place. This is one of the few problems that remain. Its not the biggest problem in the world, but its a pain in the ass. Other then the obvious stopping rank whore cts from getting free kills,(who cares?) I fail to see a good reason to leave this as it is. Its not like there is a cash reward for the top player on pb, so let them whore away. Not everyone is going to do that, so its not like its going to be the end of lr. Although the end of lr would be nice I have to admit. Lr is just another big waste of everyone's time, but that is another problem entirely. My main point here, refusing an lr is troll behavior. The only reason you do things like this is to annoy people. Might as well be blocking me on escape, or trying to drop crap on my head, or any other number of trolly behavior. The only reason you do it is to annoy others by wasting their time. When Im the last t, its /kill. No lr, no bullshit, just get it over with, so all the dead folks can play again. Its just common courtesy, you dont walk into a room full of strangers and waste their time like that, unless your being a troll. And just to be clear, Im talking about the last t alive and his refusing an lr. Also, Ive always strongly believed the electric chair in electric, one of the oldest and as far as I know the first pb map, was put there with the last t in mind. I'm sure whoever thought this game up did not have lrs and dumb ass Simon says servers in mind. So if you want a real answer to what to do about the rank whore cts getting the last kill? How about the last t either takes an lr, or an environment kill. (drowning, gas chamber, fall height, ect) that way no one gets the kill and its a fun event for everyone to watch(better then watching him jack around for 2 min), and it gives that last t some room to rebel on the way there.

Um no, that's just silly, Im not gonna alt tab just cuz someones being an asshole. Also, I'm not a real chatty guy, so I don't spend a lot of time chatting with people. But, if i did want to chat, I would do that, and not try to juggle pb with steam chat. If the ct does not want to do that lr, then he should A/get another ct to do it. b/tell the t to ask for another lr. or C/ just kill him like we did back in the old days. Hooray! New round, everyone's happy, except for the prick who was dragging out the round for everyone. Like I said, why did this rule change in the first place? It hurts no one, and serves only to speed things up, and to stop some dick from dragging out the whole round wasting everyone's time. I suspect this rule changed to accommodate the rank system, stopping rank whores from just killing the last t for extra points. As far as I could tell, there is no current rank system on pb, and even if there was I don't think the ends justify the means here. Wasting everyone's time, so one ct cant make a couple extra points. Who cares?

Well that's the problem, we used to force them to accept or die. Why did we do away with this? You say"we dont force cts to accept any lrs" I say we never did, so I don't see how that factors into it. Lr used to be optional and cts could just kill that last t if they wanted to. Its never been about making it fun for the last t who did nothing for the whole round, shit even if he did something, its still not about making things fun for one person, (not that wasting everyone's time is really "fun") If I have to spend 1 of 4 min watching 1 asshole drag out the whole round for the rest of the server, that's too long. You say it does not happen alot, well like I said, in my 15 min test run, it happened, and it sucked. LRs are dumb in general, and we should go back to the old ways, last t gets executed. Why o why should we waste everyone's time for one bad t who refused to rebel so he could get a shot at lr, or even worse no lr+hop around for 1-2 min till round draw. At the very least it should be lr or death. Why that changed is beyond me.

So what happened guys? back when the server did not suck, we would just kill people who did not want an lr, now when some asshole last t feels like wasting everyone's time it seems like he can just deny lr, and if someone kills him, everyone starts whining about free-kills. This is a big soppy bag of bullshit to me. There is no fun in watching someone waste everyone's time till the end of the round. Its just leaving a giant loophole for people to troll. First step to getting pb back on track is sorting this out, because it really just encourages a trolly player base. I spent about 15 min on the server the other day and it was just painful, the ts mic spammed the whole round, orders could barley be heard, and yes of course, some asshole refused lr, and did his best to drag out the whole round. Just painful, and nothing like what pb used to be. If you opt out of lr, you opt into execution.

Thanks as always caution, whenever you get a chance man.

I finally managed to release a couple of pb maps to you guys, they have been on the suggestion page for almost 2 weeks now. Give em a look when you get a chance, more are coming if you guys like those.

forgot to move some light mdls when I expanded the factory portion of my map, ive changed the download link, new version is ba_butcherstation_b3fix. Also, a little info on my map- while it seems large, half of the maps is closed off every round, So this is kinda like 2 maps in one. Both sides are never open at the same time. Think of it as a prison with different activities depending on what day of the week it is. map contains- soccer field church/ lr room gas chamber cafe pool arcade workout room knife fight pit disco working factory

and here are some pics, movie theater works btw. also I changed the download link, I fixed a small visual bug, should all be gravy now. new version is ba_abfd_clockwork_b3fix map contains- farm theater cafe (with pancakes!) DEATH SOCCER!

Map Suggestion Full map name ba_abfd_clockwork_vb3 Type of map Prison Break Link to map download http://www.filedropper.com/baabfdclockworkb3fix Additional Information Here is another old map thats long over due for a posting. Its got alot of new ideas on display. (farm able melon mini game mostly) Give it a shot, its pretty dam cool if I say so myself. ive run out of attachment room so pics will have to come later. Screenshots attached No

Map Suggestion Full map name ba_butcherstation_b3 Type of map Prison Break Link to map download http://www.filedropper.com/babutcherstationb3fix Additional Information We tested this map out a long time ago, and I stupidly left a huge game breaking glitch in it. So almost 2 years later Ive managed a simple fix, and many visual improvements. Hope you guys will give it another shot. Also I have plans to scale down the size of this map quite a bit, but I would like to see some testing and get some feed back before I start on another big project like that. And dont forget to check out my ze map for the mapping competition. Play ze!!!! Screenshots attached Yes

Its been a while since Ive played on the server, but I thought the motd was adjusted to account for retards. I saw that common sense was added a while back, and the line for rebelling and free shots seemed to be pretty clear. Im not sure what all this talk of retards is, but the server has always had people who act stupid so they can rebel, or freekill. The answer has always been to kill one and slay/ban the other. There is an motd and no mercy should be granted to those who cant read it or pretend to not understand it. Ive not seen the motd since jen changed it a while back, so i dont know if its been changed.