awesomebillfromdawsonvile

and the correct rates are?

If the cts have "control"(all ts accounted for and in the same place) of the ts for a set amount of time(60sec?) then the cts should be required to order the ts to at least one other location before the round is over. EXAMPLE: ts are ordered to go straight to the big cage. Once all the ts are accounted for, and the rebels have been put down, instead of waiting the next 3 min in the cage the cts then order them to the pool. This gives the ts another chance to rebel and makes the cts have to put in a little more work. This rule or something like it is a MUST if the server has rank. My major problem with rank was that it encouraged the cts to stop having fun with the ts and focus on winning every round. Because of this there were alot more rounds spent waiting in the big cage, with no real chance of a (successful) rebellion. Its an odd rule and it needs work to be sure, but I think the basic idea is sound. Discuss? Also I if think warning shots should be required, BUT if you warn(shoot) someone and they are to stupid to know what their orders were, then they should just be killed. Basically what Im trying to say is that the person who gives the warning shot should not have to explain himself or repeat the orders, just one shot as needed, if they dont comply kill em. And fuck em if they didnt listen when orders were given. Last thought, if I order some one to go to the pool (electric of course) and I find them in the cafeteria, garage or the like, that should be an insta kill. Perhaps a rule like, " Ts found more than 5 sec away from their ordered destination should be considered rebels and shot on sight." just a rough draft here but this addresses most of my major problems with this mod. also add my map! ( fixed version out just as soon as i fix my crap pc:ohwell:)

Over time the players that made the game fun kinda dwindled off and they were replaced by asshole cts who wanted to win over actually having fun with other gamers. Pb is the most fun that Ive had with sg and nothing can replace it. TTT is fun but its nothing compared to pb, there is almost no structure and the only fun part is being a traitor. Pb is only as good as the people who play it. A rule should have been implemented that made the cts change the ts location at least twice a round. Without such a rule you leave it completely up to the player how much of a dick he or she feels like being. Theres nothing to stop them from ordering the ts into the big cage, and then leave them there for 5 min. Over time the better cts who knew how to make the game fun/fair for everyone kinda dwindled off. All that being said, dont take pb! It may need a little tweaking but its still got a chance. I think that jens rules left no wiggle room for the ts. I was pretty happy with her changes, but I think its semi clear that some shitty ts felt they had nothing to work with. Honestly I think no warning shots at all may have been a little severe. The biggest problem I had in the past was ppl bitching about every warning shot I gave them, and then asking for a reason why they were shot. The rule I would have put in place of no warning shots at all would read something like "If you get a warning shot, comply with orders given asap, QQ or ask for a reason and you will be executed" The major problem was QQ about warning shots, not the warning shots themselves. I know I know, anti QQ law? wtf bills a retard! Well maybe we just have them postpone the QQ until they have complied with orders, that may be a little more sane. And if at all possible, bring back jihad mod? I hated it with a passion, but it really seemed to draw ppl in, not sure why, but fools loved that shit. sorry for wall o text, have fun not reading it =)

So rp goes but pb stays, am I hearing this right? Sounds great to me.

^ that sounds like the real truth to me. Goddamn whiny bitches cant complain about being "freeshot" anymore so they go some place else to bitch. Well Im glad they are gone, they can keep ttt, I just hope that pb is cheap enough resource wise, that sg will keep it. I have no plans to switch to ttt, and pb is the only thing I really play anymore.

All of what norris says is true for me, right down to the broken mic. Mines been down for about 3 weeks or so and pb was doing great back then.

But there was nothing wrong with the new rules, they were pretty much the exact same as the old rules before warning shots were mandatory. So.... would pb be in danger of being removed? Can it hang on long enough until it gets populated again?

Yea I noticed this as well, what gives? I have not been on in about 2 weeks and now that I look the server pop has gone way down..... Is this some kind of harsh back lash from jens new rules or is it just because school has started? I would hate to see pb go any where, as its the only server I really play on anymore... not to mention that I have like 3 or 4 maps half done for it.

New rules are great, only thing I would like to see is a solid rule that states the team ratio should be 2-1 whenever possible. I have not played in a week or 2, so Im not sure if its gotten better, but Since jens rule change Ive noticed the teams being even way to often. Hell often enough the ct team would be larger than the the t team and I would have to bitch just to get the teams even. Being a rebel is much harder when there are way to many cts, and they pretty much dont have to give out warning shots. edit : jihad mod suckt and im glad its broken. Cts camped about 100% more when that crap was on.

So we cant kill ts with rifles on their back?

Thankyou! finally a good answer to this from a higher up. It should have already been clear to ppl though, that if the orders are "go to pool no detours no delays" and they bee line for the nearest ct with his back turned, thats obviously a delay as well as a hostile act towards a ct.

everyone knows how I feel, but just to make sure this^ is a great idea and has my full approval. As zombie escape has map rotation so should pb for all the same reasons.

if you hit them yes, if you dont no. If they dont want you to throw them then they have to say something about it first. most maps dont have flash or smokes so its not much of a problem. none of the electric clones have any special nades.

^ that right there, if I tell someone not to throw a flash and they do they are dead. I think this would fall under the follow orders or be shot rule.

for a while there ze was moria 24/7 and I could no longer play there. Eventually the higher ups took care of this problem with new servers as well as a map rotation that would not allow ppl to vote for the map they played 2 rounds ago. Now I think a new server may be going to far(although i would luv it) but a simple map rotation would not be hard to implement at all. And as for the players who would get a hair up their butt about it, fuck em. When they fixed ze to not be 24/7 moria I dont remember there being an drop in player base at all. So Im sure the pbers would get over it as well.

Can we plz stop responding to this thread now? Dont give these semantic loving ts so much credit. Common sense or die, new players included.

yes plz!

your avatar/ spray has always scared me chaos =b

so be it. Normally 1/2 the cts are a detriment to their team anyways. 3 or 4 good cts can be more than enough to hold down 12 or more ts. Adding a few trigger happy crap cts can quickly fuck that up once they get themselves stabbed. I also point out that b4 the ranking system there may have been less cts but there was still enough to fill the team. I see the ct team get stacked with to many players way more often now though.