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Totally worth it, though.

One can say that there is no viable proof the Earth is not. However, I am more likely to believe several hundred scientists over a 2000 year old book. Carbon-14 dating is only useful for dating things to about 60,000 years old, since Carbon has a shorter half-life than other elements. Carbon-14 dating does not work in the way you mention it. It works because C14 is radioactive and decays. They use estimates, based on quite a lot of information, to determine what the C14 ratio should have been around the time the fossil was discovered. This is the area creationists use to try and defeat carbon dating. Yes, there are guesses and assumptions made about C14, but these were not developed overnight. C14 dating cannot be used to determine rocks that are millions of years old, they have to use other methods for that. Once again, you're trying to discredit research because it goes against something in an old book. This is not how science works. This is not how the world works. This is not the way towards a better future. And it's still in the Bible. And it's still in the Bible.. You're talking about Numbers 6:20. And it's still in the Bible. You're right. It doesn't lead to improper treatment. It never happens. People think that they can pray their problems away. Life doesn't work like that. Can prayer help a patient? Sure, it can take their mind off things and calm them down. If that helps them, go for it, but it's not the only way. The point is, people tend to use prayer for selfish reasons. Either to get something they want or to clear themselves of guilt. "Oh man, I was a dick to Johnny and now he has cancer. I'll just pray for him and then I'll be forgiven." People pray for the poor and hungry, hoping for some miracle, instead of donating (Note: Tithing doesn't help the people outside of the church's community. Many churches use tithing to help the needy, but many more use it to build mega-churches and spoil themselves silly). The sad fact is, most people that donate/tithe are the people that can't afford to. Lower-class citizens give more to churches and charity than any other group. Why? Probably because they believe that if they do something good, that God will reward them. So, instead of saving your money for emergencies, they give it to a church, and then wonder why they can't pay the bills several months down the road. I'm taking in the Bible exactly how I see it. I'm also giving out simple examples because I don't want to waste hours upon hours of my time to do the research you should have done. I reject religion because it doesn't make sense. Faith is a broad term and is acceptable in certain context. Saying you have faith that your God will help you somehow is vastly different than my faith that 2+2=4. You reject the notion of other gods, do you not? In a broad sense, that makes you an atheist. To say you are an atheist is not ignorance, it's reality. To a Muslim, you are an atheist in their eyes for not believing in their god. I already provided you with links. That white text back there are links. Click them and you'll be surprised at what happens. I don't accept any notion that any single person or book has given me. I research my questions and get answers from different sources. You're the one blindly accepting what's in a 2000 year old piece of fiction, not me. My beliefs are in the realm of reality and sanity. They make sense to me and millions more. They were developed by hundreds and thousands of people, not a book that had no concept at the time. What about it? Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it untrue. It's a field of study and a growing one at that. What about quantum physics do you find hard to believe? What are your questions regarding it? What contradictions have you found? You can't just say a phrase and expect to get away with it. I have a hard time believing you have done much critical thinking on this subject. There are so many contradictions in the Bible it's staggering. I am not going to waste my time listing them, all you have to do is read it. My idea is not 'nothing did it' my idea is 'something happened, we just don't know what yet.' But I refuse to believe some cosmic being snapped its fingers and created everything we see. Right, so you proved my point. You are stifling progress, you just do not and cannot see it. People in the middle ages were theists because if they were not, they would have been killed. Believing in God is not giving up, sure, but stating that since you cannot prove what happened, or accept a theory, is giving up. If the people who were researching theories gave up, we would be no where. For you to not understand my example is incredibly thick. 'People are generally not good' is one of the fundamentals behind rejecting religion. People KILL other people for not accepting their deity of choice. When you are born, you are completely innocent, tainted by nothing. It's when people begin to disagree with others' beliefs that things start going bad. Look at WWII, Israel, Iraq, and Afghanistan. I am making no broad generalization. You cannot say that these wars are not fueled by some religious beliefs. No, I'm a rational atheist that detests misinformation and irrational thinking. I never said that people who believe in God are stupid. They are free to believe in whatever they want, and I'll fight for them to do so, but I will stand against them to claim the Bible is the end all be all of knowledge on all things unknown. It's funny how atheists seem to know more about religion than the followers. It probably has something to do with them reading the material and saying, "Huh, that doesn't quite add up. Let me ask my priest." Then, when they do not get the answers they are looking for, drop the religion entirely. You see me as ignorant because you refuse to believe anything that isn't in your book. You see me as ignorant because you do not have an open mind to ideas that contradict your book. You see me as ignorant because you cannot fathom life without your religion. You see me as ignorant because you fear the religion more than you respect it. Right, he said the belief in God is like any other hypothesis, which is correct. But what relevance does that have with any of this? You throw out a statement and give no reasoning to back it up. The only one misinformed, sir, is you. I have presented the facts, I cannot help it if you outright reject them.

No, I'm not trying to make anyone believe in one thing or another. I'm trying to make people open their minds and ask questions, find solutions, and ask more questions. Most people are religious because their parents are. They accept what their parents say and don't question it. When they grow older, they follow the religion based on instinct rather than knowledge. They follow it because they 'should', not because they want to. Have you read the Bible cover-to-cover? If not, you should. Take notes while you read it and ask those questions. Either to your parents, or some religious leader. Keep asking them until they give you a straight answer and not something like, 'It is because God said so', or 'It is written therefore it is.' Those are unacceptable answers and people accept them as truth. If you find anything in the Bible confusing, and don't seek answers or clarification, you aren't a believer because you want to be, you are a believer because someone said you should. All I ask is that you do not blindly accept everything you are told, even from me. I'll quote a popular phrase, "To most Christians, the Bible is like a software license. Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll to the bottom and click “I agree.” "

Regarding that statement. People like to say they believe in God because it has helped them in some way. What way? You mean it answered one of your prayers? What about all of the prayers it did not answer? People claim they are a believer because they will be saved or helped in some way, what about all the people that died for no reason? You think it's OK for God to help your football team win last weekend and let some child die of cancer? Why did God answer your prayer and not the child's? This is the second reason why I hate religion. People have blind faith and end up making really poor decisions that either affect themselves or people they know (their kids, for example). If you want to believe in the afterlife, want to believe God is watching over you, that's fine, but don't let your belief affect others. I cannot stand parents who tell their kids that if they don't clean their room, that they'll go to Hell. More and more people are using religion as a means of scaring people into following them, which is what it was originally written for, and less about teaching people about the good things, like helping your fellow man (universal health care, same-sex marriage, etc), making decisions because they are right or wrong, not because some book said they are (You should help the elderly because it's the right thing to do, not because it'll get you into Heaven).

OK, here goes. There is no proof Jesus actually existed. The earliest information about him dates back to several hundred years after his death. If someone that was supposedly so important, so powerful, you'd think there would be a lot more information and validity about his existence around the time he actually existed. I hope that you searched for the answers outside of the Bible, church, and Christian-based sources. You believe in God and follow Christianity, why? If you believe the Bible, then you believe the Earth is 6000 years old, which has been proven to be completely untrue. I suppose you also believe the parts that women should remain silent, that you should not get haircuts, that you should pray for the sick, which can lead to improper treatment, a talking snake, give up your first born, etc. I could go on. No, we don't. We reject faith of religion because of what it is and what it causes. We don't need to believe. I could say the same about you and other religions. You reject Allah, Yahweh, and the countless other gods. You're just as much an atheist as I am, except I believe in one fewer gods than you do. To reject science and say something 'created' the universe and Earth is also ignorant. The first law of thermodynamics was never violated. This has been discussed many, many times. Just because you didn't do your research, does not mean you are right. This is the number one thing that bothers me about religious people, and creationists specifically. Please, list them. Just because we cannot prove something, does not mean we need to believe in some supernatural being, that's quite silly. Instead of giving up and saying, 'Fuck it, God did it,' you should, instead, try to find the answer yourself. You can't use religion as a scapegoat for lack of scientific evidence. There are many things wrong with being religious. There are religious extremists, for one. Extremist Christians want to kill the president. Extremist Muslims want to kill us and basically everyone else. Religion has caused so many wars, deaths, hate, and pain that it's astonishing you would say that. Look at the never-ending war in Israel if you want an example. Hell, look at the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, those are due to religious zealots. What about all the death in the Bible? God killed over 70,000 people because he was bored. In the bible, God kills over 350,000 people directly and has his servants kill over 1million more. How is that acceptable? So, because something is a theory, you will completely reject it? Nice way to stifle progress. It's thinking like that, that will prevent us from making any breakthroughs in space exploration, stem cell research, and much more. If everyone had that thought process, we'd still be in the middle ages. It's because people didn't want to give up and wanted to find answers, that you are on a computer right now, instead of running through the streets hunting for witches. If you don't care about something as simple as the Earth's age then you are subjecting yourself to a life with no point. If you won't question things that don't make sense to you, and blindly follow what people say, then I have nothing for you. A lot of science is based on fact, actually. It's just that topics of this discussion are based on theory (Big Bang and Evolution, for starters). If there was proof of God, undeniable proof, I still would reject it. I am not going to worship something that has caused so many problems with this world. People follow their 'religious laws' because they were told that if they didn't, they would go to Hell. Right, that makes total sense. The Bible was written as a means of keeping people under control several hundred years ago. This text is completely out dated and should not be part of our culture in terms of governing what people should and should not do. There are many 'laws' in the Bible that make no sense and would mean that the majority of its believers are sinners. Which of these laws have you violated? What about how the Bible treats women? Is that acceptable? You can't say it's OK for people to follow biblical laws, especially given the aforementioned ones. You also cannot say, 'Well, they follow some but not all.' That's a bullshit answer. Either you follow them all, and are a true Christian, or you follow none and are a sinner. You can't have it both ways.

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Rage meter is going off the charts. If the topic is still open, I'll debate you children after work.

Dear neji, sit on my lap and I'll tell you the story. God wasn't there always, even before the universe was created. God is not the creator of the universe. Who do you think created God? Religious followers have no idea how God was created. There are theories, but no real proof. I don't understand how people can believe in 'God'. We haven't seen it, or have proof.

This thread makes me want to rage so hard, but I'll behave.

So, wait, are you taking the $5 donated and also donating + $2 from your own pocket?

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THE PLOT THICKENS!

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Go cry in a corner.

My friend doesn't play online anymore. He just plays at Atlantic City now. Sorry

Thanks. But, how dare you wear Bad Dog's old avatar.

Neteller doesn't take anything from US customers anymore, unless they changed that policy. My friend plays FTP all the time, I'll see if he wants to transfer.

WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I AM AN ALCOHOLIC!? I HAVEN'T HAD ANY WHISKY IN OVER 4 MONTHS!

Tell her not to sing falsetto and she might be OK.