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A baby isn’t conscious until about 3 and is most certainly non independent

Never said I supported the Republican Party or agreed at all with taxpayer funded health care. I simply said if I had to pick, it’d go to chemo rather than abortion. In a perfect world none of it should go to either. This seems like an irresponsible take. You don’t have a right to an abortion you have a right towards bodily autonomy. Which I agree, abortion is part of that. But should not be funded by taxpayers. Morals are different per person and change overtime. I seriously doubt it was morally okay to kill your offspring before its born in 1920 when it wasn’t plausible to do. In 1930 weed was morally wrong. You’d be a creten in that age so they made it illegal, should that law not be changed as well? Why is a woman allowed to get an abortion but not do heroin? What makes your morals better then mine or anyone else that disagrees with you? If your not even willing to recognize the other side there won’t be any compromise just a constant battle between America’s left and right arm until they break each other. I fully support someone’s right to procure an abortion, however I don’t want to pay for it and if the woman decides to go through with it then I want my choice to not have anything to do with it just like the woman does now. Ya know, like equality. Can you tell me where I’m morally wrong for not wanting to pay for someone else’s irresponsibility, accident, or bad luck? And if anyone wants to come at me for saying I don’t want to pay for an abortion for someone who gets raped, abused or life would be threatened, when’s the last time you paid for someone’s house who burned down or the funeral of a friends loved one who passed away?

Which ones?

I personally don't actually give a crap either way. I only have 2 reasons I care. The abortion is subsidized by my taxpayer dollars, and whether or not I want it isn't up to me and yet I'm on the hook to pay for it if the baby is born. If I can waive all parental rights and not have to pay child support, sure go right ahead legalize it all baby. I care less about it being subsidized by taxes but if there is anyone who says it should be treated as any other medical procedure, then leave it up to the insurance company...like every other medical procedure and well see how many abortions are done per year compared to now. How come we fight so hard to pay for abortions but nobody fighting to fund chemotherapy? I'd much rather have my taxpayer dollars spent towards potentially saving another life than killing one that hasn't even had it's chance at breathing yet. How about you?

You defeat your own point. The problem is these government officials are deriving their ethics and morals solely from their religion (also primarily a certain age group does this more so, but I won't even go into that) and it defeats the point of separating church and state. If you're going to push Christian morals in a nation that is progressively straying away from religion (Millennials and younger), that's incredibly problematic. You are ignoring the beliefs and wants of your constituents... you are not governing over them and representing them, you are ruling over them. That got a bit off topic. Tl;dr if you're some old white man who knows nothing about pregnancy who just wants to take away access to safe abortions because m'morals, please stfu. If so, can I stop subsidizing it and leave it up to the insurance company to decide whether or not they want to pay for it? Since its just another medical procedure. Bringing a child in this world has almost nothing to do with a man once conception comes. It's neither his choice nor his responsibility at this point. The woman decides who has sex with her and decides whether the child is born. There is multiple steps in the process that the woman could stop it all from happening. A guy just has sex with her and tosses a coin whether or not he gets her pregnant and regardless of his stance the baby comes or not and the rest of his life is determined by the 50/50 coin flip of a woman. Less than 5% of abortions are from rape or incest or cases where a pregnancy can threaten the life of a mother. All good reasons to get an abortion nonetheless and I wouldn't argue that. However you don't make a federal law based on 5% of cases. Your claim about the republican party I find very hard to believe and would love to see the source on this. Being pro life and and believing that someone can make a way for themselves despite the odds has not only been proven possible but is a much better outlook on life than yours thinking your entire life is predetermined from birth and I'm actually kinda sorry for you that you feel that way. There is no proof that says they base their ethics and morals soley from a religion. This is a preposterous claim and you are ignorant for saying it. Christian morals also aline with many atheist's moral and other religions. This is just plain stupid. The constituents voted for these people. They didn't get there because they won a lottery. If the constituents disagree so vehemently, vote them out. The last line is just laughable and shows you're arguing from a position of emotion instead of logically. I hate to tell you chief, but the only reason an abortion is so easy is because the federal government forced everyone to pay for it and like @Infinityward said Roe V Wade was already grasping at straws in not being an over reach of power by not letting it be up to the states. If it was treated as just another medical procedure and not heavily subsidized by taxes, I'd bet there would be no insurance company around that would cover it minus incest, rape, or pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. Guaranteed.

Valid point - I have no illusions that we'll be the next big FFA community. Most of those communities have deals with ESEA that allows people to join them through the client to warm up. I'm just simply trying to get a piece of the pie or offer an alternative that can be used for those who don't pay for ESEA. Also, if we can get it decently ranked again at the very least anyone searching through gametracker will see our server. It may not yield the results we hope for but at the very least it's something that doesn't require as much management as TTT/JB. Also, anyone ideas please feel free to share as the achievements thing is really all I have going around my hollow head.

This is correct for the time you have been here. There was a time it was only behind JB and TTT in terms of rank. So top 1k at one point. As of right now, the direction is to get a population and try to increase the rank to help get our name back out there. Most community servers that hold consistent populations are Movement based game modes and competitive based game modes like retakes/ffa/1v1. FFA is fairly easy to manage as once you get the bugs out, its just FFA. I don't have some grand plan other than using it as a server to help getting our name out there. Think of FragShack, you may have never played on there, but you know it existed. I also think with the idea of achievements, its a good give and take server with relatively easy management standards. Other than running contests that have decent prizes to give back to the community there isn't much you have to do except bug fixes as they arise once its in a stable form. If you have another idea that could use this as a kickstart to a bigger operation by all means hit me with it

You know what, all fair points. There is no one best way to go about it as I've seen success using both methods in the past. Seeing as we haven't had too much success going with option 1s method, lets try option 2. See

Hi Team, Let me start off by saying FFA is up and running! Connection Info: connect 135.148.5.24:27017 It's fairly bare bones at the moment but that is really how an FFA server should be in terms of general gameplay. What I need now is people to help play test, find bugs/broken items, and come up with ideas. In an effort to include the community in the creation process, I'd like to get an idea from you guys what I could do that would make you more likely to want to come play consistently or even semi consistently. Is there a launch contest that I could try putting together to incentivize you guys hopping a board? Currently, I was thinking of maybe looking for an achievements plugin and then having a bunch of achievements for each gun like X kills with each gun, X headshots, etc and the first 5 people to 100% can get a steam game (price may very depending on if we crowd fund or I pay out of pocket as I'd rather keep SG donation funds towards keeping the servers up until we can be more liberal with our funds) This also opens up the opportunity for me to be able to wipe the database on a regular basis and keep having contests going involving achievements. I could even take suggestions from you guys for a custom achievements that are more outside of the box to make things a little harder or easier depending on the suggestion. Let me know what you guys would like to see or any potential ideas that you could see incentivizing players to hop on the server and keep coming back! Thank you,

Hey Gentoo, As previously mentioned, we are looking at new ways of being transparent and soliciting feedback. I understand where your coming from, however lets not forget that once a server is up and running, there is nothing stopping anyone from making a thread to suggest an improvement or a change. Generally, when something is in the works you have the base set of people setting everything up to get online and playable and then we rely on feedback. Half the battle is getting people to actually come play the server and give relevant feedback. And just because someone provides an idea doesn't mean its the way the manager wants to go with the server or the majority of players want in that. I'm not disparaging anyone from leaving feedback but for the most part we haven't seen much feedback when it comes to individual changes. This admittedly stems from the overall problem which is why I've said on multiple occasions that its a multi-variable problem that no one thread is going to fix. It is going to take sustained effort over a period of time. Step 1 is getting all staff on board and replugged in on the level needed which @BoM has already laid out a plan at the Board level to do. @Zero Twois making his way through JB and has seen some success relative to the last few months @ImHunterIRLis also working on improvements from his predecessors to present to the community which I'm fairly positive he will be clueing in the TTT community since he has been actively asking for feedback from active/inactive players on the public front as well as trying his best to clue in staff from SA all the way up to the Board. These things do take some time. We just launched an action plan to the public last night and each level of staff will be asked to step up a bit as we transition our focus and zone in on problems. I understand and appreciate that you are willing to take the time to point out things that have been issues in the past in the spirit of pushing the community further towards success and I do note some of the ideas. There is some merit to announcing things early and gathering opinions and that is something we can look at being more proactive. I hope you'll stick around and help us as we go through this transitional period of the next few months.

Bullet 1: I'm not saying your gas lighting anyone but realistically there is no way you can be plugged into every minute detail at every level that requires making informed decisions. The supporting ranks IMO are there to assist you in giving those opinions. Bullet 2: While this is absolutely true, there were many other smaller decisions made that lead to this outcome. I'm not saying any BD needs to step up and put the whole community on their back, but by saying that in one of the lowest times in SG, that you have all put in your time already, your saying everyone else should put them on their back and you won't do anything to assist with the plethora of knowledge and influence you have, if you don't want to. Under normal circumstances, I'd absolutely agree. We had a system in place that allowed the Board to be more hands off and focus on the macro instead of the micro. But now more than ever, we need people focusing intently on the micro or there won't be any macro. Bullet3: I concur with this. It was not afaik, a random decision to stop focusing on CSGO. We still had server managers who volunteered to keep the servers going, but it did not pan out the way originally hoped. At the end of the day, we could say this person did x and this person did y and thats why we are here but what is the actual point of that. To blame someone for the collective failure that is currently taking place? I just don't see how that is productive. I'm sure everyone has their opinion on why things went sideways, and I'm no exception to that. I've done my fair share to contribute towards toxicity and I'm not denying that. If things keep trending this way I don't see how we claw our way back to making forward progress. I'd rather stop the blame game, recognize decisions and attitudes that resulted in negative outcomes, learn from it, and put our best foot forward to correct things. Higher ups are always discussing ways we can make things better and where to zero our focus in. We've already had discussions on easing up requirements for CA and as far as I know, we will be seeing some announcement in the coming future. The bickering and pointing the finger isn't helping anything. If people have ideas, post them so a discussion can be had or DM them to an SM+. In all the threads I've seen there hasn't been much of an actual solution, just discussion on why things went wrong. While its important to understand and improve on those aspects, dwelling on them isn't going to move the numbers up at all. Objection. Heresay.

It's a multi-variable problem that is been stewing for awhile now. There is no one great way to attack it imo. I can tell you how I currently view it. Problem 1: We are not pulling in enough money to sustain long term current operations. Problem 2: Current incentives for pulling money in are mainly directly attached towards CSGO in game perks. Problem 3: Servers are dead Problem 4: No population = no pull for sponsorship or power position to negotiate any kind of deal as far as I'm aware of. So what do we do? Personally, I believe we need to build our servers back up to a decent level. Doesn't have to what it once was but at least something to show we having something cooking over here. Priority 1: Rebuild servers/population to the best of our ability. Priority 2: Rework donation incentives to not be mainly based in CSGO perks Priority 3: Be on the look for other potential games where we can try and expand our community player base. The first 2 priorities are listed this way because IMO, it's more realistic to rebuild what we have than try to create something new and re-establish ourselves like that. We need to be pulling in money and have a player base on our servers to move forward at all. Nobody is going to site on as a streamer/partner for a community that is barely pulling in any cash and shows no signs of life on what they do currently have established. Priority 3 because this should always be something we are looking into. It's not impossible to build into a new game but it's unlikely to be a solid foundation as history as proven and I'm all for forward progress, however ignoring the 15 years of base in CS would just be negligent. I think a common sentiment has been no transparency and lack of support to our current servers. I am currently working on getting Server Reps brought back as a separate rank, not intertwined with CA, and their job will be to assist the current SM in all their duties as pertaining to that server. They will (hopefully) be given full access to the test server they are representing and limited access to the production so that they can assist the SM in finding errors or working along side. This will also help in my opinion, have a larger potential pool of SM candidates so we don't run into an issue where we have a bunch of burnt out managers with nobody to replace them. This will be the dedicated path towards Server Management. The hope is to nurture more potential candidates while also having more dedicated support to each server. I'm working bringing FFA back and have been brainstorming possible ideas that could help with its official release to incentivize people to play. I'm also working on a new scrim plugin which will track more in depth stats, streamline demo acquisition, and a web GUI to go with it to make search up specific players/games easier. I also plan on removing the password from scrim and opening it up to the public similar to the Warlords CSS scrim servers which still get a fair bit of traffic to this day considering how old they are. The plan is to also reimagine SGSL and try to put together a prize pool to attract players from outside SG to come and take part. Beyond that, I am slowly(very slowly) working on a Rust Combat Training server, and a Left 4 Dead 2 server that streamlines custom content (campaigns) as this is not something I currently see on any of the popular L4D2 servers. This may not yield the results I hope for but hey, nothing ventured nothing gained.

Those are the original air pods bro bitches was on my shit whenever I whipped these bad boys out

Your paycheck is signed by a dude that look like that

Yea no Gentoo was absolutely right. This is not acceptable behavior for a new admin. Friendly banter is fine, what you just exhibited here is that of a child who got sand thrown at them after throwing it first. There was no reason to bring it to this level.

you know what, honestly a lyrical master mind.

I've also thought about doing ads but like Gentoo said how many people are watching youtube videos and not skipping them after 5 seconds and for ones that aren't skippable how many would actually apply to people playing CS and looking for a community. From a cost standpoint I don't think it would be a successful campaign when putting together the money you would have to dish out to make it happen. If anyone can layout some sort of basic plan to actually implement it I'd be willing to have that discussion.

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Alright, I wanted to leave this open until discussion died down and it seems that time has come. Thank you to everyone who had a productive conversation. I think on some level some of this needed to come out on both sides. I highly encourage anyone and everyone who has anything more to say to us, please reach out. PM on Discord or send me a message on the forums. I'm more than willing to have a conversation and you can say whatever you'd like to me. My aim is find common ground not point fingers and say haha its your fault or pass blame. I'd much rather come to a mutual understanding than lose anymore members for something that could have been resolved with a conversation. Please see the recommended post if you read and had no specific opinion.

I don’t think anyone is necessarily pointing a finger at you or calling you out here we are all just trying to get a point across. You saying you take no offense as long as their funny is kinda subjective. What’s funny to you may not necessarily be funny to someone else and vice versa. There’s some people who come to the community and aren’t exactly the most socially aware people and just blurt things out to feel like they are part of the in crowd. I’m not condoning that but if your saying you don’t really take offense than it’s hard to enforce that only xyz can make jokes because they have a way with words or whatever. I’d be more comfortable enforcing people leaving you alone about it or not if you made a clear cut stance and when someone says something that is clearly not a joke we would step in which based on your statement would be the only way I know how to effectively go about it.

I totally understand your point and your right I wouldn’t. Not in highschool nor in my adult life. However if I was hanging out with said person and he was a buddy of mine I would probably poke fun with some light hearted jokes. “Hey man at least you can get that weed card” light hearted stuff. However, if IRL I would be able to visually pick up on his body language and be able to make a determination on if he was uncomfortable or not and then go from there. A luxury not afforded to me over the internet. I don’t know who’s close friends and whose not. I assume when Bom was saying his jokes, they were on better terms and he didn’t think it was a serious thing. Idk, I don’t want to put any words in anyone’s mouths or try to infer intentions but I do understand what you are getting at. Which is why I say it’s not just black and white. I don’t know rygor sense of humor at all so I’m general, over the internet or in person, I would make any jokes until I’ve gotten to know him. Knowing Bom I would personally assume the same thing goes for him.

I fully appreciate this response I’d just like to start by saying that. I will refrain from speaking about the rygor situation since I’m not familiar with it but it seems a little contradictory to say we should be speaking up for people on our own accord but then also not be so serious. It kinda proves my point that it’s not so black and white. Banana joe was annoyed and we stood up for him when we actively complained about it and got shit for it. According to you rygor was getting bullied but never said it bothered him but we should have known that. I have made fun of plenty of people here who later came up to me and said I actually do not like that people do that and would like it to stop. However, they have even said that it’s partly their fault for not speaking up. As soon as it was brought to our attention we stopped. Nobody here is mind readers. If rygor had a disability and everyone was making fun of him for it and he never said anything I assume he was just rolling with the joke however if he said yo I don’t like that we have stopped. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. If you truly do find a specific joke funny when it’s at your direct expense in terms of disabilities or anything personal, I don’t think I can name a single time where the line was drawn and higher ups actively ignored it. Send us a PM and let us know, I can’t read your mind nor can I do anything if you feel like you can’t privately message one of us. We are regular gamers too just inform us and we can work with you. Just like banana joe, we did nothing for quite a long time and then he let us know directly and we have been trying to actively stop it without being too harsh. Eventually we will set a precedent. side note: I’m more than willing to have a conversation and hear complaints from anyone that’s willing.

The staff members your referring to were running the show for the last year. You should be pointing the finger at the Server Managers and Events Coordinators who have been given that responsibility. Which I have previously called out was not great. We are moving forward with clearer intentions and we have no room for belligerence like what you just displayed. Also, most people do a very good job when they first start out that cannot be taken away, burn out is real and motivation dips down. It happens. Though I have and still do agree with your sentiment, being civilized will get you much further. Many people have been given too many chances however just because you and your friend group view them as annoying does not mean the rest of people do. While there are obvious examples of some who actively just ruin the atmosphere it’s not always black and white

It’s not accidental for 6 months. Explain how you accidentally type “@banana joe” for 6 months. This is the semantics game I refuse to play. the latter half of your paragraph proves in itself that he was annoyed by it and asked the individuals to stop and since those involved knew he was being annoyed they double downed on it. I personally don’t care if you ping me all day long, but he cared so we tried to ask nicely for people to stop since at an individual level each instance is not a big deal. It’s only gotten to this point because of the refusal to stop for way longer than we should have allowed.