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Yeah tbh I hate to say this but I feel like this is a change that shouldn't even need to be discussed given the bind is still an issue. It should be flatout removed until reworked, stopping people from binding it or creating a macro that mimics a bind is quite literally impossible.

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@TheZZL This is still an issue, and I understand it's an admins discretion whether or not to put in perm requests on these issues but at some point it's just absurd. The sheer volume of punishments and they get to come on a day or two later, or a half hour later if CT banned to continue to do the same things often going completely unpunished for a long while is just not okay at all if we're trying to be a server that is fun to play on and even more than that compete with other communities this needs to change. I think this needs to be escalated up to IA's and/or BD's. I understand this is not something you yourself can solve, but it's an issue. I have had to deal with both of these players, and the idea that I will have to again because of the system we have in place is not something I am a fan of.

Would it be possible to cover this in the rules to prevent this from happening, it's a bit shit that 1 CT can skew the vote in a huge way and vote away maps that people had just voted for. No one forces players to RTV so it's not quite considered a chat order via the current threads however I think this is how admins of the past would discourage this kind of behavior. I think what actually may of happened is through multiple renditions of the rules this was accidentally or purposefully written out whether through a slight change in wording or the latter. Lately I've been seeing people using it too much and as is the nature of the server for some reason later generations of players keep finding new ways to fuck things up that require solutions. Interested whether people think this is enough of an issue to respecify it in the rules or that it's a useful tool for players to expedite a shit map from killing player population. On some level it must lean either way. I see an argument for both and while this obviously isn't a massive issue I think from what I've seen there's room for improvement.

We start without them this time.

I’m still lost on how it’s confusing for Ts to pick a cell and crouch outside of it lol. This seems like the most nitpicking post and it getting a response that actually lends it validity instead of highlighting that the CT in question pretty much enforced those orders perfectly seems like the completely wrong thing to focus on. People on JB nowadays, especially on T really need to stop playing dumb and follow orders given.

If they weren't following the order when it was given, and he is last CT then it is entirely irrelevant whether or not it has been 45 seconds.

I don't think this order is that unreasonable, people could have begun going back but I also note that you gave us a clip where the round is cut off at the start,. Were in a minute in so it's hard to get a proper gauge of what is going on. There's nothing stopping the Ts from going back to a cell and following the orders given. It's not as if he's killing people who are trying to follow the orders. The people who were attempting to do the orders, but weren't near a cell he didn't even bother shooting so it's clear that he wasn't just all gung-ho about nitpicking people to death. You're not really citing any specific rule or why this would be considered unreasonable despite accusing him of freekilling in chat.

I hate CinemaSins, but the only time I searched it up after the fact just to watch it get torn. Lmao.

It might be worth considering reverting or walking back on this change slightly more, the admins have limited exposure to these players because they cannot be there 24/7 and as it is in someone's best interest to behave around staff members (of course when they know they're around). This is something similar to when we had admin recommendations, and it was in the best interest of the community to remove them. People can act like they're a central authority because they've played the servers for a few months every time an admin isn't on or when they aren't aware an admin is on. Everything from telling people to slay for rules that don't exist, micspamming, and so on. I look at several apps where admins themselves are making some extremely faulty posts that honestly a couple of years ago I could see being BTFO'd and removed by a member of the board. The only reason I mention this is to highlight that admins are normally just regular people who want to help the community, and on the other hand you have people with a huge ego who want to back it up with some power- the goal is to prevent those people from causing issues or getting rank. The admins are just as prone to post something stupid or help brigade a friend, they just aren't likely to post some stupid spammy bullshit that needs to be removed. It is much better to have it open to the public or if you guys wanted to walk it back slightly to see how it goes, consider closing it off to regulars+. Even then that change could be entirely questionable too, some people just don't use the forums and don't usually use any message boards at all. If the community is going to allow people to apply for admin with what is a small requirement and filter through that, but draw the line at letting people post their opinions and experiences that seems like a mild contradiction. Of course there is a line somewhere that has to be drawn and it is hard to find it, which is why I am giving feedback. People are hesitant to say anything about this change, I've spoken to a lot of people on Discord who seem to think it's not worth saying anything because the board either won't change their mind on it ever or because it's too early. To me that level of apathy is an issue. There's plenty of players with a lot of activity that are receiving a small amount of replies, and that is a very easy way (in my opinion) to create a system that is giving BD's & Staff very anecdotal feedback prone to manipulation & abuse of the system. I'm fully aware that the BD's aren't ignorant drooling NPC's that are going to read these threads and stamp them for approval. I'm also aware that once someone is made an admin it's not impossible that it will be removed, but the further the problem gets the worse off for everyone involved. This isn't to say SG is creating some trojan horse into the community with this system, but honestly to some level- if ignored, that could be true. There's definitely a blatant issue with not enough feedback or quality of feedback at hand. I think this has a chance to go too far, from what I heard it's being monitored but I wanted to offer some additional feedback. If this gets reverted I'll never post on admin applications again I promise.

By an admin. When I first came back to the server I was being legitimately on the level of harrassed and bullied by players because I was following the rules and doming them for blatantly disobeying. I know the rules, other players don't know them so much so that when they're being threatened they're going to stand on principle. I will never be caught dead forcing someone to slay, that is an admins job and if someone freekills me I go out of my way to tell staff to tell them NOT to slay. If someone has gotten so far that they are going to slay for it they know what they did was wrong, or they're afraid of having a player complaint made on them. Jailbreak is not a generic gamemode, regulars need to stop being so immature.

No one ever has to slay, ever. I will slay as a courtesy sometimes if I do something wrong and apologize if I know the other person isn't a full grown adult capable of moving on. If someone is telling me to slay and being rude I definitely don't slay especially if it was crossfire or something done among chaos. These servers like JB and TTT are extremely chaotic so you could log on at pretty much at any point in the day and find a rule broken once every round or two. I have no idea what you mean by: When you make a thread like this, it's best to go look at the FAQ & Rules page first. There is no rule there to enforce, a CT can on the other hand decide that the person doesn't deserve a freeday for being freekilled the same way I wouldn't let someone who got freeshot or crossfired goto medic. It's a headache to get caught up on this small bs playing the server and best to move on to avoid further issues.

Yeah Ik its chaos... /s Stop exaggerating this is how it was for years and it'll be fixed in less than a day.

There's a difference between being lenient and personable vs. not enforcing the rules at all. Admins have not been at all acting when it's completely out of control, which is a huge problem. People definition of being lenient has shifted so far that the admins seem afraid to do anything or aren't sure what to do. It's hard to know but the problem is very apparent to me almost every session I play.

Your post is pointing out the same thing that I am, it just seems like you're playing devil's advocate for no reason. lol. Literally just look at GameTracker you're arguing against facts.

Except the server wasn't really capping out all that often, and when it was it was a completely intolerable to play on or deal with. Warden can be enabled when the playercount goes over a certain number, FO for the lower end. These are things I did on other servers and had planned to do to JB when I was managed, just my two cents though. There's more than enough here for people to come up with solutions and act if they feel it's necessary. JB has seen better days, and that's not to shit on ZZL either cause he's really working his ass off for it. He's up against a lot.

The way JB, admins, the players, even some of the staff are is as result of slightly lower player retention. It will even out as the servers get better, more regulars -> more admins -> more experienced staff -> connected higher ups. Low player retention leads to worse CTs which directly changes gameplay for the worse. A bad T just dies fast or won't rebel when perhaps they should. Retention (judged through stats) and fun (judged through feedback like this) IMO are the most important thing and why I always used to obsess over community interaction and server rankings. I am not for being anymore strict about the way CT is than it is now unless someone comes up with very specific parameters. We have rules about not delaying, enforcing orders, as well as several plugins keeping ratio in check, inexperienced CTs away, tools for admins to get rid of CTs who aren't following the rules and so on. I think the staff need to be more strict about CTs though, some of these kids are breaking so many rules it is actually absurd. The amount of micspam that goes on across the entire for instance makes it nearly impossible to play sometimes, and when I see something like a server slot increase it makes me think a warden plugin or some variant of a warden plugin where it scales with slot size is something worth looking further into. I don't think it's healthy to increase slot size, let the server hit it's natural intolerable limit, and then have it where people just go "nah its a clusterfuck not going on there."

Nice little throwback, I hope the models aren't *matte black lmao. fuck u deli

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